Comments on: The ship has begun to sink in the South Side http://umpbump.com/press/2007/06/01/the-ship-has-begun-to-sink-in-the-south-side/ In-your-face baseball commentary Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:48:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Alejandro Leal http://umpbump.com/press/2007/06/01/the-ship-has-begun-to-sink-in-the-south-side/comment-page-1/#comment-52664 Alejandro Leal Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:00:03 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/the-ship-has-begun-to-sink-in-the-south-side/#comment-52664 That's a very good point. The Sox, record-wise, are starting to settle right where they'll probably be all season long – at or around .500. It's very hard to argue that Ozzie Guillen is the root of all problems when for some of us, he was the catalyst that brought the championship home in 2005. It may very well be the cyclical element of subtle rebuilding. Williams brought in talent by trading for Thome and Vazquez, but he lapsed in improving his bench. And then there's the loyalty factor. By signing Joe Crede (who's been bothered by a bad back), the team was forced to let hot prospect Josh Fields simmer one more year in the minors. Whether he would've been more valuable to the team had he been allowed to play one full season is debatable. Two words: Brian Anderson. But Fields can hit .226 in the bigs just fine. All things considered, the Sox are not going to win it all this season, so they ought to think about the next three to five years, and what better way than by making a few trades of the white flag type? That’s a very good point.

The Sox, record-wise, are starting to settle right where they’ll probably be all season long – at or around .500.

It’s very hard to argue that Ozzie Guillen is the root of all problems when for some of us, he was the catalyst that brought the championship home in 2005.

It may very well be the cyclical element of subtle rebuilding. Williams brought in talent by trading for Thome and Vazquez, but he lapsed in improving his bench.

And then there’s the loyalty factor. By signing Joe Crede (who’s been bothered by a bad back), the team was forced to let hot prospect Josh Fields simmer one more year in the minors. Whether he would’ve been more valuable to the team had he been allowed to play one full season is debatable. Two words: Brian Anderson. But Fields can hit .226 in the bigs just fine.

All things considered, the Sox are not going to win it all this season, so they ought to think about the next three to five years, and what better way than by making a few trades of the white flag type?

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]]> By: Coley http://umpbump.com/press/2007/06/01/the-ship-has-begun-to-sink-in-the-south-side/comment-page-1/#comment-52665 Coley Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:04:41 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/the-ship-has-begun-to-sink-in-the-south-side/#comment-52665 Alejandro, I've always thought Guillen was an ass. But I read an interesting story yesterday by Chicago Tribune columnist Phil Rogers, who says that the numbers show Guillen is actually a good manager. Rogers uses a stat called the "Impact Factor", which "quantifies the effect of managers on their teams by comparing season records against their finish in the Pythagorean standings, devised by Bill James to assign a team an expected record based on runs allowed and runs scored." Of all active managers, Bobby Cox and Joe Torre have the highest impact factor ratings, though Torre's is way down this year. Here's what Rogers says about Guillen: "Sometimes managers get more out of their teams than they should. Sometimes they get less. While this surely will surprise White Sox fans, Ozzie Guillen is a plus-3 this season, which means he has done a good job to hang around .500 with a team that has issues." Food for thought. Alejandro, I’ve always thought Guillen was an ass. But I read an interesting story yesterday by Chicago Tribune columnist Phil Rogers, who says that the numbers show Guillen is actually a good manager.

Rogers uses a stat called the “Impact Factor”, which “quantifies the effect of managers on their teams by comparing season records against their finish in the Pythagorean standings, devised by Bill James to assign a team an expected record based on runs allowed and runs scored.”

Of all active managers, Bobby Cox and Joe Torre have the highest impact factor ratings, though Torre’s is way down this year. Here’s what Rogers says about Guillen:

“Sometimes managers get more out of their teams than they should. Sometimes they get less.

While this surely will surprise White Sox fans, Ozzie Guillen is a plus-3 this season, which means he has done a good job to hang around .500 with a team that has issues.”

Food for thought.

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]]> By: Rickey Henderson http://umpbump.com/press/2007/06/01/the-ship-has-begun-to-sink-in-the-south-side/comment-page-1/#comment-15090 Rickey Henderson Wed, 30 May 2007 12:28:30 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/the-ship-has-begun-to-sink-in-the-south-side/#comment-15090 Now that is a poem. Strong work buddy. Now that is a poem. Strong work buddy.

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]]> By: Greg http://umpbump.com/press/2007/06/01/the-ship-has-begun-to-sink-in-the-south-side/comment-page-1/#comment-15013 Greg Tue, 29 May 2007 14:27:39 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/the-ship-has-begun-to-sink-in-the-south-side/#comment-15013 The only thing better than the Red Sox being the best team in baseball is the Yankees, and especially Derek Jeter, being the biggest disapointment! The only thing better than the Red Sox being the best team in baseball is the Yankees, and especially Derek Jeter, being the biggest disapointment!

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