Comments on: Eric Wedge needs to get a clue http://umpbump.com/press/2007/10/08/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/ In-your-face baseball commentary Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:15:35 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Zvee http://umpbump.com/press/2007/10/08/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/comment-page-1/#comment-53284 Zvee Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:44:26 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/#comment-53284 Nick, I realized after I posted that I had not fully considered your argument. Now, I see where you're coming from, but feel that when a team is up by a game in a short series and their WORST option is to go back home and throw the AL Cy Young candidate/winner for game 5, why not take the chance of having things work out beautifully in game 4? Wedge took the chance and it paid off beautifully. Although, I do agree with Paul that TBS GREATLY exaggerated Byrd's performance...whip of 2.0 over 5 innings, 4+ era, 2 ks...didn't deserve that much praise. Nick,

I realized after I posted that I had not fully considered your argument. Now, I see where you’re coming from, but feel that when a team is up by a game in a short series and their WORST option is to go back home and throw the AL Cy Young candidate/winner for game 5, why not take the chance of having things work out beautifully in game 4?

Wedge took the chance and it paid off beautifully. Although, I do agree with Paul that TBS GREATLY exaggerated Byrd’s performance…whip of 2.0 over 5 innings, 4+ era, 2 ks…didn’t deserve that much praise.

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2007/10/08/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/comment-page-1/#comment-53293 Paul Moro Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:58:44 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/#comment-53293 Honestly, prior to last night, I saw both sides of the argument and couldn't come up with a solution. While it all worked out for the best in Cleveland's favor, before we annoint Wedge as a genius, I think we need to remember how freaking lucky Byrd was last night. I mean, ten baserunners over five innings usually leads to more than two runs. Plus, he had two Ks over 5 so the Yanks did put the ball in play. They just didn't fall. Honestly, prior to last night, I saw both sides of the argument and couldn’t come up with a solution. While it all worked out for the best in Cleveland’s favor, before we annoint Wedge as a genius, I think we need to remember how freaking lucky Byrd was last night. I mean, ten baserunners over five innings usually leads to more than two runs. Plus, he had two Ks over 5 so the Yanks did put the ball in play. They just didn’t fall.

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]]> By: Coley http://umpbump.com/press/2007/10/08/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/comment-page-1/#comment-53292 Coley Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:05:49 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/#comment-53292 Zvee, did you throw in that Adam Eaton reference just to piss me off? Zvee, did you throw in that Adam Eaton reference just to piss me off?

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2007/10/08/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/comment-page-1/#comment-53291 Sarah Green Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:58:17 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/#comment-53291 Well, Torre was hoping that Wang's better record at home would carry the day. "Wang at home" and "Wang on the road" has been two different pitchers this season. But even if the Indians had lost, Wedge still might not have been the goat because they'd just be playing in a decisive game five. If the Indians had NEEDED to win last night's game to prolong their season, then maybe you would have seen CC out there. Well, Torre was hoping that Wang’s better record at home would carry the day. “Wang at home” and “Wang on the road” has been two different pitchers this season.

But even if the Indians had lost, Wedge still might not have been the goat because they’d just be playing in a decisive game five. If the Indians had NEEDED to win last night’s game to prolong their season, then maybe you would have seen CC out there.

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2007/10/08/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/comment-page-1/#comment-53290 Nick Kapur Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:05:09 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/#comment-53290 Again, all those favorable outcomes only happen if Byrd wins. My whole argument came out of the fact that Byrd might lose. And he very well could have. And then none of those could things would have been true. Again, all those favorable outcomes only happen if Byrd wins.

My whole argument came out of the fact that Byrd might lose. And he very well could have. And then none of those could things would have been true.

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]]> By: Rich http://umpbump.com/press/2007/10/08/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/comment-page-1/#comment-53289 Rich Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:01:23 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/#comment-53289 Zvee, I think you're being a little cavalier about Sunday's start. Jake Westbrook is no Adam Eaton, and the Yanks pasted him for 6 runs. Pitching Byrd was one of those decisions where you're only a hero if it works. If it doesn't, you're the goat. Honestly, I was more surprised to see Wang out there again, especially after the Indians drilled him in the first game. I guess Torre didn't have any other options to throw out there. Zvee, I think you’re being a little cavalier about Sunday’s start. Jake Westbrook is no Adam Eaton, and the Yanks pasted him for 6 runs.

Pitching Byrd was one of those decisions where you’re only a hero if it works. If it doesn’t, you’re the goat.

Honestly, I was more surprised to see Wang out there again, especially after the Indians drilled him in the first game. I guess Torre didn’t have any other options to throw out there.

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]]> By: Zvee http://umpbump.com/press/2007/10/08/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/comment-page-1/#comment-53288 Zvee Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:27:11 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/#comment-53288 But it wasn't the wrong decision. It was clearly the right decision, hence the favorable outcomes: 1. Indians win in 4. 2. ENTIRE staff will be FULLY rested for Sox. 3. C.C. can now start game 1. 4. Fausto can now start game 2. I hate throwing pitchers out on short rest...especially against a lineup that is ICE cold. The Yankees couldn't have hit Adam Eaton in this series...so Paul Byrd seemed like a good choice. But it wasn’t the wrong decision. It was clearly the right decision, hence the favorable outcomes:

1. Indians win in 4.

2. ENTIRE staff will be FULLY rested for Sox.

3. C.C. can now start game 1.

4. Fausto can now start game 2.

I hate throwing pitchers out on short rest…especially against a lineup that is ICE cold. The Yankees couldn’t have hit Adam Eaton in this series…so Paul Byrd seemed like a good choice.

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2007/10/08/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/comment-page-1/#comment-53287 Nick Kapur Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:33:14 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/#comment-53287 No way. I won't play that game. Decisions can still be the wrong ones even if they work out anyway. Just because Byrd won doesn't invalidate my points. It's a sample size of one. I would maintain that if you pitched Paul Byrd against that Yankees lineup 100 times in a row, he is definitely going to lose more than half the time. No way. I won’t play that game.

Decisions can still be the wrong ones even if they work out anyway. Just because Byrd won doesn’t invalidate my points. It’s a sample size of one. I would maintain that if you pitched Paul Byrd against that Yankees lineup 100 times in a row, he is definitely going to lose more than half the time.

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]]> By: Coley http://umpbump.com/press/2007/10/08/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/comment-page-1/#comment-53283 Coley Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:56:39 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/#comment-53283 Nick, I think you owe a certain manager an apology. We can wait all day young man. Nick, I think you owe a certain manager an apology.

We can wait all day young man.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2007/10/08/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/comment-page-1/#comment-53282 Sarah Green Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:34:36 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/eric-wedge-needs-to-get-a-clue/#comment-53282 For what it's worth, the Indians radio announcers were all over this one tonight. The record for pitchers starting on short rest in the playoffs is truly appalling: 12 and 30 since 1995 (I think that's what they said...I was driving). Plus, we just saw an ace-type pitcher flounder in just that situation in the person of Chien-Ming Wang, who was starting on short rest tonight and couldn't even make it out of the second inning. I think there's something to be said for just settling in and calmly playing your game. For what it’s worth, the Indians radio announcers were all over this one tonight. The record for pitchers starting on short rest in the playoffs is truly appalling: 12 and 30 since 1995 (I think that’s what they said…I was driving).

Plus, we just saw an ace-type pitcher flounder in just that situation in the person of Chien-Ming Wang, who was starting on short rest tonight and couldn’t even make it out of the second inning.

I think there’s something to be said for just settling in and calmly playing your game.

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