Comments on: UmpBump Fixes the Hall of Fame: Part 1 – Getting the Right People In http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/11/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/ In-your-face baseball commentary Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:30:20 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/11/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/comment-page-1/#comment-54096 Nick Kapur Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:58:17 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/#comment-54096 Yeah, it's amazing that Blyleven gets so little support. He's fifth all-time in strikeouts (only Ryan, Carlton, Clemens, and Randy Johnson are ahead), ninth all-time in shutouts, 11th in games started, 13th in innings, and 26th in wins. Pretty much all the guys on either side of him on those lists are in the Hall of Fame. Blyleven is the anti-Sandy Koufax - insanely good career numbers but without the jaw-droppingly monstrous peak. Usually you are supposed to have both to make the Hall, but like Sandy, Blyleven should probably get in anyway because his career numbers are just that incredible. Yeah, it’s amazing that Blyleven gets so little support. He’s fifth all-time in strikeouts (only Ryan, Carlton, Clemens, and Randy Johnson are ahead), ninth all-time in shutouts, 11th in games started, 13th in innings, and 26th in wins. Pretty much all the guys on either side of him on those lists are in the Hall of Fame.

Blyleven is the anti-Sandy Koufax – insanely good career numbers but without the jaw-droppingly monstrous peak. Usually you are supposed to have both to make the Hall, but like Sandy, Blyleven should probably get in anyway because his career numbers are just that incredible.

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]]> By: Mike F http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/11/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/comment-page-1/#comment-54100 Mike F Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:06:45 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/#comment-54100 Still only 3/8 for Blyleven? Why does he get so little respect. If he'd won 13 more games, he'd have been a 1st ballot lock! 287 W, 118 ERAplus, 3701 K's (3rd all-time when he retired). I get that he wasn't Walter Johnson, but his top 3 comps are Sutton, Perry and Jenkins, all 3 HOF'ers, and his ERAplus is better than all 3!!! Still only 3/8 for Blyleven? Why does he get so little respect. If he’d won 13 more games, he’d have been a 1st ballot lock! 287 W, 118 ERAplus, 3701 K’s (3rd all-time when he retired).

I get that he wasn’t Walter Johnson, but his top 3 comps are Sutton, Perry and Jenkins, all 3 HOF’ers, and his ERAplus is better than all 3!!!

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]]> By: Danny O http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/11/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/comment-page-1/#comment-54099 Danny O Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:02:07 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/#comment-54099 I am not a stat slave to the save, but I do think it is indicative of a reliever's effectiveness. One of the relievers with similar stats to Lee Smith is Goose. And he got seven out of eight votes! And I think Smith is definitely more qualified than the UFH-sponsored Rod Beck, who got two votes. I am not a stat slave to the save, but I do think it is indicative of a reliever’s effectiveness. One of the relievers with similar stats to Lee Smith is Goose. And he got seven out of eight votes! And I think Smith is definitely more qualified than the UFH-sponsored Rod Beck, who got two votes.

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/11/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/comment-page-1/#comment-54098 Nick Kapur Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:38:35 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/#comment-54098 Danny, I remember Lee Smith. I remember him as a good but not amazing pitcher, who was good but not amazing for many, many years. You can find any number of relievers with extremely similar stats to Smith. The only reason he is even considered for the Hall is that he happens to be second on the career saves list. So Lee Smith is only a Hall of Famer if you believe that the "save" as a stat means anything at all. I don't. Danny, I remember Lee Smith. I remember him as a good but not amazing pitcher, who was good but not amazing for many, many years.

You can find any number of relievers with extremely similar stats to Smith. The only reason he is even considered for the Hall is that he happens to be second on the career saves list.

So Lee Smith is only a Hall of Famer if you believe that the “save” as a stat means anything at all. I don’t.

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]]> By: Danny O http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/11/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/comment-page-1/#comment-54097 Danny O Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:18:36 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/#comment-54097 Wait a second, hold on here: HOW IS IT THAT I AM THE ONLY PERSON THAT VOTED FOR LEE SMITH? Come one people, he is number two on the career list for saves and had a career ERA just a shade over 3.00!!! He averaged almost one K/inning! You know how many errors he made over his 18-year career? 4!!! That's less than one for every Olympiad! Back-to-back winner of the highly coveted Rolaids Relief Man of the Year Award in 91 and 92!!! How come no one remembers this guy? Wait a second, hold on here: HOW IS IT THAT I AM THE ONLY PERSON THAT VOTED FOR LEE SMITH? Come one people, he is number two on the career list for saves and had a career ERA just a shade over 3.00!!! He averaged almost one K/inning! You know how many errors he made over his 18-year career? 4!!! That’s less than one for every Olympiad! Back-to-back winner of the highly coveted Rolaids Relief Man of the Year Award in 91 and 92!!! How come no one remembers this guy?

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/11/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/comment-page-1/#comment-54095 Sarah Green Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:22:04 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/#comment-54095 Jim Caple has an <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/071212&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos2" rel="nofollow">interesting screed</a> today on the BBWAA and this year's Hall of Fame ballot. His picks: Raines, Blyleven, Dawson, Gossage, Morris, Rice, Trammell, McGwire. Jim Caple has an interesting screed today on the BBWAA and this year’s Hall of Fame ballot. His picks: Raines, Blyleven, Dawson, Gossage, Morris, Rice, Trammell, McGwire.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/11/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/comment-page-1/#comment-54094 Sarah Green Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:13:05 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/#comment-54094 Also, random trivia about Deacon Phillippe: an ancestor of actor Ryan Phillippe, Reese and Ryan's son Deacon is named after him. Also, random trivia about Deacon Phillippe: an ancestor of actor Ryan Phillippe, Reese and Ryan’s son Deacon is named after him.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/11/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/comment-page-1/#comment-54093 Sarah Green Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:55:12 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/#comment-54093 ROD BECK?! TWO VOTES FOR ROD BECK? Is this a special UFH edition of the Hall of Fame or something? I know, the man died and it was sad. But that is no reason to put him in the Hall! I know this was supposed to be an anonymous ballot but I DEMAND THAT YOU SHOW YOURSELVES. ROD BECK?! TWO VOTES FOR ROD BECK? Is this a special UFH edition of the Hall of Fame or something?

I know, the man died and it was sad. But that is no reason to put him in the Hall! I know this was supposed to be an anonymous ballot but I DEMAND THAT YOU SHOW YOURSELVES.

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/11/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/comment-page-1/#comment-54091 Paul Moro Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:16:39 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/#comment-54091 I'm with you, Alejandro. I'm a bit surprised to see such little support from us UmpBumpers for Raines. I’m with you, Alejandro. I’m a bit surprised to see such little support from us UmpBumpers for Raines.

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]]> By: Alejandro Leal http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/11/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/comment-page-1/#comment-54092 Alejandro Leal Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:10:55 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/umpbump-fixes-the-hall-of-fame-part-1-getting-the-right-people-in/#comment-54092 C'mon! Give rock a chance! C’mon! Give rock a chance!

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