Comments on: Lest we forget, David Eckstein not actually terrible http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/14/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/ In-your-face baseball commentary Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:48:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Alejandro Leal http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/14/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-54172 Alejandro Leal Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:35:44 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/#comment-54172 ugh, drinking Cuervo straight from the bottle... how can people submit themselves to that kind of torture?!?! be classy, people, drink patron... ugh, drinking Cuervo straight from the bottle… how can people submit themselves to that kind of torture?!?!

be classy, people, drink patron…

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/14/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-54171 Paul Moro Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:52:47 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/#comment-54171 I know this is only one metric of evaluation (and pretty much everything else agrees with you), but surprisingly, Runs Above Average favors MacDonald, who was -12 runs on offense but 20 runs on defense. Eckstein was 2 on offense but -7 on defense. Just throwing that out there. I know this is only one metric of evaluation (and pretty much everything else agrees with you), but surprisingly, Runs Above Average favors MacDonald, who was -12 runs on offense but 20 runs on defense. Eckstein was 2 on offense but -7 on defense. Just throwing that out there.

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/14/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-54170 Nick Kapur Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:24:46 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/#comment-54170 Most projections have Eckstein returning back to the .270/.340 hitter he was in Anaheim. Yeah, I agree that it is no complement to Eckstein to say that he is a big upgrade over John McDonald, but still, he is a big upgrade over John McDonald. And given this market, in which the other options at this time were Cezar Izturis and Adam Everett, and given the very favorable terms of the deal, I felt compelled to praise, and praise liberally. I mean, yeah, Eckstein is probably going to be only worth about 1 extra win above replacement over the whole season, but that is still 1 win above replacement level, at and McDonald was actually below replacement level. Most projections have Eckstein returning back to the .270/.340 hitter he was in Anaheim.

Yeah, I agree that it is no complement to Eckstein to say that he is a big upgrade over John McDonald, but still, he is a big upgrade over John McDonald.

And given this market, in which the other options at this time were Cezar Izturis and Adam Everett, and given the very favorable terms of the deal, I felt compelled to praise, and praise liberally.

I mean, yeah, Eckstein is probably going to be only worth about 1 extra win above replacement over the whole season, but that is still 1 win above replacement level, at and McDonald was actually below replacement level.

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/14/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-54169 Paul Moro Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:26:15 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/#comment-54169 You're right that it's not a bad deal by any stretch of the imagination. I still don't think that Eckstein will help much if at all. Anybody have any idea how FieldTurf (the Rogers Centre uses it, I think) tends to handle groundballs? Faster? Slower? He might be an upgrade over McDonald, but that's not a compliment to David. It's a condemnation to McDonald. But we'll have to wait and see if moving to the AL will severely affect Eckstein's numbers, though. You’re right that it’s not a bad deal by any stretch of the imagination. I still don’t think that Eckstein will help much if at all.

Anybody have any idea how FieldTurf (the Rogers Centre uses it, I think) tends to handle groundballs? Faster? Slower?

He might be an upgrade over McDonald, but that’s not a compliment to David. It’s a condemnation to McDonald. But we’ll have to wait and see if moving to the AL will severely affect Eckstein’s numbers, though.

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/14/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-35643 Nick Kapur Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:06:03 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/#comment-35643 Man, that Crashburn Alley piece is great - I came away completely convinced that Andruw is actually by far the best of the 3 CFs. Sadly, my Dodgers are probably the team MOST likely to overpay for exceedingly mediocre Aaron Rowand. Man, that Crashburn Alley piece is great – I came away completely convinced that Andruw is actually by far the best of the 3 CFs. Sadly, my Dodgers are probably the team MOST likely to overpay for exceedingly mediocre Aaron Rowand.

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/14/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-35642 Nick Kapur Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:00:21 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/#comment-35642 Otis Nixon actually looks too young in that picture! My memories of Otis from his brief stint as a Dodger were of an utterly dessicated husk of a man. Otis Nixon actually looks too young in that picture! My memories of Otis from his brief stint as a Dodger were of an utterly dessicated husk of a man.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/14/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-35620 Sarah Green Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:23:42 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/#comment-35620 Otis Nixon! Thanks, Coley, for the Otis Nixon Update! I didn't even realize how much I had missed him and his crazy pulled-up socks until I saw this post. Ahhhhhh Otis. During his brief stint with the Red Sox, when he was approximately 487 years old, they still had those old-timey stripey white and blue knee socks. Those were the days. The days when I wrapped myself in velour and drizzled cheap whiskey on typewriters.... Otis Nixon! Thanks, Coley, for the Otis Nixon Update! I didn’t even realize how much I had missed him and his crazy pulled-up socks until I saw this post. Ahhhhhh Otis. During his brief stint with the Red Sox, when he was approximately 487 years old, they still had those old-timey stripey white and blue knee socks. Those were the days. The days when I wrapped myself in velour and drizzled cheap whiskey on typewriters….

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]]> By: Coley Ward http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/14/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-35582 Coley Ward Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:37:29 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/#comment-35582 Regarding Rowand's propensity to run into walls and teammates, it's funny how some people consider than an attribute, while others consider it a flaw. Regarding Rowand's offense, I think he's probably overrated by some sports writers, but obviously not by the majority of online baseball bloggers, at least not the ones I read. I think he's obviously not worth the kind of money Torii Hunter just got. Regarding Rowand’s propensity to run into walls and teammates, it’s funny how some people consider than an attribute, while others consider it a flaw.

Regarding Rowand’s offense, I think he’s probably overrated by some sports writers, but obviously not by the majority of online baseball bloggers, at least not the ones I read. I think he’s obviously not worth the kind of money Torii Hunter just got.

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]]> By: melissa http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/14/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-35580 melissa Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:16:59 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/#comment-35580 Coley, Did you notice Crashburn's perspective on Aaron Rowand? They seemed to think he's definitely behind Hunter offensively. Rowand may actually get a better deal than Jones due to the fact that he's coming off a career year offensively. People seem to overrate Rowand's defense, disregarding his propensity to run into walls and teammates. The team that signs Rowand is going to get the least player for their money. Coley,
Did you notice Crashburn’s perspective on Aaron Rowand? They seemed to think he’s definitely behind Hunter offensively. Rowand may actually get a better deal than Jones due to the fact that he’s coming off a career year offensively. People seem to overrate Rowand’s defense, disregarding his propensity to run into walls and teammates. The team that signs Rowand is going to get the least player for their money.

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]]> By: Coley Ward http://umpbump.com/press/2007/12/14/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/comment-page-1/#comment-35575 Coley Ward Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:23:05 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/lest-we-forget-david-eckstein-is-not-actually-terrible/#comment-35575 I have no problem with Glavine going back to the Braves. And I have no problem with him leaving money on the table. But I do have a problem with him pretending that he's only making $8 million. He got a $3 million buyout from the Mets. That counts! I have no problem with Glavine going back to the Braves. And I have no problem with him leaving money on the table. But I do have a problem with him pretending that he’s only making $8 million. He got a $3 million buyout from the Mets. That counts!

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