Comments on: Hot Offseason Action: Florida Marlins http://umpbump.com/press/2008/02/09/hot-offseason-action-florida-marlins/ In-your-face baseball commentary Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:12:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Danny O http://umpbump.com/press/2008/02/09/hot-offseason-action-florida-marlins/comment-page-1/#comment-54674 Danny O Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:54:00 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/meh-offseason-action-florida-marlins/#comment-54674 I mean to say that I should have worded the last sentence of my first comment differently. I mean to say that I should have worded the last sentence of my first comment differently.

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]]> By: Danny O http://umpbump.com/press/2008/02/09/hot-offseason-action-florida-marlins/comment-page-1/#comment-54673 Danny O Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:50:52 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/meh-offseason-action-florida-marlins/#comment-54673 Coley, should have worded that last sentence differently. Loria has proved that he is capable of buying a championship every now and then, and then sticking it to the fans by selling off the team. I just think his conduct is that of a greedy slimeball. Also, their first championship was under the ownership of Wayne Huizenga. Coley, should have worded that last sentence differently. Loria has proved that he is capable of buying a championship every now and then, and then sticking it to the fans by selling off the team. I just think his conduct is that of a greedy slimeball.

Also, their first championship was under the ownership of Wayne Huizenga.

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]]> By: coley http://umpbump.com/press/2008/02/09/hot-offseason-action-florida-marlins/comment-page-1/#comment-54672 coley Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:30:41 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/meh-offseason-action-florida-marlins/#comment-54672 If they ever compete? Danny? Really? They\\\'ve won TWO World Series championships since the last O\\\'s championship (and the last time the O\\\'s won a championship was years before the Marlins got started). I\\\'m not going to defend Loria, but let\\\'s not pretend he hasn\\\'t had any success. If they ever compete? Danny? Really? They\\\’ve won TWO World Series championships since the last O\\\’s championship (and the last time the O\\\’s won a championship was years before the Marlins got started). I\\\’m not going to defend Loria, but let\\\’s not pretend he hasn\\\’t had any success.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2008/02/09/hot-offseason-action-florida-marlins/comment-page-1/#comment-54663 Sarah Green Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:14:46 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/meh-offseason-action-florida-marlins/#comment-54663 It looks like Peter Angelos may have a rival after all... It looks like Peter Angelos may have a rival after all…

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]]> By: Danny O http://umpbump.com/press/2008/02/09/hot-offseason-action-florida-marlins/comment-page-1/#comment-54671 Danny O Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:17:38 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/meh-offseason-action-florida-marlins/#comment-54671 Surprised no one here has stated the obvious: The Marlins have one of the greediest, rich slimeball owners in baseball. Jeffrey Loria is the guy who fired Joe Girardi the year after he won NL Magaer of the year. This is the guy who had a fire sale right after their World Series win. He personally designed the world Series rings for the players, which turned out to be the gaudiest, most expensive championship rings of all time. This is the guy who thought he could make baseball a roaring success in Montreal and then when he realized that Les Expos could never garner enough support for a new stadium, went whining to Bud selig and the other 29 owners to bail him out. (Which they did - Loria effectively traded les Expos for the Marlins plus $38M due over time in the form of a no-interest loan from MLB.) Instead of moving the Expos himself, he stuck MLB with the team and they moved them. Now this is the same guy who is again threatening to move if he doesn't get a new stadium. He's a whiney brat; an art dealer/owner instead of a baseball guy. If they ever compete it won't because of any contribution of that he makes. Surprised no one here has stated the obvious: The Marlins have one of the greediest, rich slimeball owners in baseball. Jeffrey Loria is the guy who fired Joe Girardi the year after he won NL Magaer of the year.

This is the guy who had a fire sale right after their World Series win. He personally designed the world Series rings for the players, which turned out to be the gaudiest, most expensive championship rings of all time.

This is the guy who thought he could make baseball a roaring success in Montreal and then when he realized that Les Expos could never garner enough support for a new stadium, went whining to Bud selig and the other 29 owners to bail him out. (Which they did – Loria effectively traded les Expos for the Marlins plus $38M due over time in the form of a no-interest loan from MLB.) Instead of moving the Expos himself, he stuck MLB with the team and they moved them.

Now this is the same guy who is again threatening to move if he doesn’t get a new stadium. He’s a whiney brat; an art dealer/owner instead of a baseball guy. If they ever compete it won’t because of any contribution of that he makes.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2008/02/09/hot-offseason-action-florida-marlins/comment-page-1/#comment-54670 Sarah Green Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:59:57 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/meh-offseason-action-florida-marlins/#comment-54670 Nick, I think the one weakness with your improved-defense plan is that it has so many guys learning new positions all at once. To have most of the infield adjusting to new roles might have been a real defensive challenge, at least over the first half of the season. But of course, we will never know, because the Marlins FO is so lame. Nick, I think the one weakness with your improved-defense plan is that it has so many guys learning new positions all at once. To have most of the infield adjusting to new roles might have been a real defensive challenge, at least over the first half of the season. But of course, we will never know, because the Marlins FO is so lame.

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2008/02/09/hot-offseason-action-florida-marlins/comment-page-1/#comment-54668 Nick Kapur Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:56:07 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/meh-offseason-action-florida-marlins/#comment-54668 Rich, the reason people expect Dontrelle Willis to rebound this season is because his peripherals would have predicted an ERA much lower than the 5.17 ERA he actually had. All the defense-independent ERA stats I've seen had his "actual" ERA somewhere in the high 3's. For what it's worth, all the projections have his ERA for this upcoming season in the low to mid 4's... ZiPS - 4.34 PECOTA - 4.55 Bill James - 4.22 CHONE - 4.50 Marcel - 4.43 Rich, the reason people expect Dontrelle Willis to rebound this season is because his peripherals would have predicted an ERA much lower than the 5.17 ERA he actually had. All the defense-independent ERA stats I’ve seen had his “actual” ERA somewhere in the high 3’s. For what it’s worth, all the projections have his ERA for this upcoming season in the low to mid 4’s…

ZiPS – 4.34

PECOTA – 4.55

Bill James – 4.22

CHONE – 4.50

Marcel – 4.43

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]]> By: rich http://umpbump.com/press/2008/02/09/hot-offseason-action-florida-marlins/comment-page-1/#comment-54667 rich Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:31:26 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/meh-offseason-action-florida-marlins/#comment-54667 D-Train ran off the tracks last year. Why are there expectations for him to recover significantly? I didn't think he was a ground ball pitcher, so even with the woeful defense, he should've been alright. I agree that the Marlins made out poorly in that trade. They probably could've gotten all those prospects just with Miggy. D-Train ran off the tracks last year. Why are there expectations for him to recover significantly? I didn’t think he was a ground ball pitcher, so even with the woeful defense, he should’ve been alright.

I agree that the Marlins made out poorly in that trade. They probably could’ve gotten all those prospects just with Miggy.

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2008/02/09/hot-offseason-action-florida-marlins/comment-page-1/#comment-54666 Nick Kapur Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:15:24 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/meh-offseason-action-florida-marlins/#comment-54666 That's a good point, Coley. I agree that pitching, and especially the starters, as you point out, would still be the weak spot. But I really do think the Marlins could have contended. And by contend, I mean, be a good bet to win 85 games, with a chance to win more games if some balls bounced the right way. Part of my reasoning is that although the Marlins pen was bad overall last year, once they got it figured out it was quite awesome at the end, and going this year they already have a full 7-man bullpen of the young guns that I mentioned, who can all be reasonable expected to post an ERA in the 3's or maybe even better. And having a great bullpen is key to winning the one-run games which can help a team beat its pythagorean record. But I also don't think the rotation would have been that bad, if the Marlins had kept Dontrelle Willis (who certainly is not going to have an ERA over 5 again this year). Especially if they added an extra pitcher as I suggested, and playing in front of the vastly improved defense that I proposed. That’s a good point, Coley. I agree that pitching, and especially the starters, as you point out, would still be the weak spot.

But I really do think the Marlins could have contended. And by contend, I mean, be a good bet to win 85 games, with a chance to win more games if some balls bounced the right way.

Part of my reasoning is that although the Marlins pen was bad overall last year, once they got it figured out it was quite awesome at the end, and going this year they already have a full 7-man bullpen of the young guns that I mentioned, who can all be reasonable expected to post an ERA in the 3’s or maybe even better. And having a great bullpen is key to winning the one-run games which can help a team beat its pythagorean record.

But I also don’t think the rotation would have been that bad, if the Marlins had kept Dontrelle Willis (who certainly is not going to have an ERA over 5 again this year). Especially if they added an extra pitcher as I suggested, and playing in front of the vastly improved defense that I proposed.

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]]> By: Jeremy http://umpbump.com/press/2008/02/09/hot-offseason-action-florida-marlins/comment-page-1/#comment-54665 Jeremy Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:15:13 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/meh-offseason-action-florida-marlins/#comment-54665 I agree with the above poster. I\'m not sure they had enough starting pitching to contend but they could have be in the 70-80 win window. Now they look to be in the 50 game window. I agree with the above poster. I\’m not sure they had enough starting pitching to contend but they could have be in the 70-80 win window. Now they look to be in the 50 game window.

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