Comments on: Braves prospect caught using HGH. But how? And why? And what now? http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/09/braves-prospect-tests-positive-for-hgh-but-how-and-why-and-what-now/ In-your-face baseball commentary Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:48:13 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Danny O http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/09/braves-prospect-tests-positive-for-hgh-but-how-and-why-and-what-now/comment-page-1/#comment-55258 Danny O Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:13:15 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/braves-prospect-tests-positive-for-hgh-but-how-and-why-and-what-now/#comment-55258 Cut the chump, we don't need him. We got Kotsay's wife. But seriously, it looks like the kid had a well thought out plan. Judging from the pic he has already ordered an extra large hat to accommodate his soon-to-be large head. Cut the chump, we don’t need him. We got Kotsay’s wife.

But seriously, it looks like the kid had a well thought out plan. Judging from the pic he has already ordered an extra large hat to accommodate his soon-to-be large head.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/09/braves-prospect-tests-positive-for-hgh-but-how-and-why-and-what-now/comment-page-1/#comment-55257 Sarah Green Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:50:29 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/braves-prospect-tests-positive-for-hgh-but-how-and-why-and-what-now/#comment-55257 Nick and Rich, both good points. I think we can also say that HGH does have an effect, whether or not it's the effect that the athletes intend, just from looking at Barry Bonds' scary bulging head. Nick and Rich, both good points. I think we can also say that HGH does have an effect, whether or not it’s the effect that the athletes intend, just from looking at Barry Bonds’ scary bulging head.

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]]> By: Rich http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/09/braves-prospect-tests-positive-for-hgh-but-how-and-why-and-what-now/comment-page-1/#comment-55256 Rich Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:34:24 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/braves-prospect-tests-positive-for-hgh-but-how-and-why-and-what-now/#comment-55256 RE: Point 3. The study that claim in the Slate was based on used 70 year old males for a study on enhancing athletic performance. Now my granddad is in pretty good shape for his age. Still works outside running his landscaping business everyday. However, I would not expect any studies conducted on him to generalize to elite athletes in their 20s. At best, you can say the jury is still out on HGH. RE: Point 3.

The study that claim in the Slate was based on used 70 year old males for a study on enhancing athletic performance.

Now my granddad is in pretty good shape for his age. Still works outside running his landscaping business everyday. However, I would not expect any studies conducted on him to generalize to elite athletes in their 20s.

At best, you can say the jury is still out on HGH.

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/09/braves-prospect-tests-positive-for-hgh-but-how-and-why-and-what-now/comment-page-1/#comment-55255 Nick Kapur Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:30:12 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/braves-prospect-tests-positive-for-hgh-but-how-and-why-and-what-now/#comment-55255 I don't know. There has certainly been a lot of hue and cry about how HGH doesn't really work, but all the studies I've read are really saying that they haven't yet proved that it works, not that they have positively proven that it doesn't work. Also, most of the trials they have conducted have been done in clinical settings with clinical doses, which are quite different from how these drugs are being used by athletes. Finally, a lot of these studies have been testing whether HGH adds muscle or not, which is weird to me, because the idea was never really that HGH adds strength or muscle, but rather that it helps you recover faster from injury or from weight training, allowing you to train more or get back on the field sooner. As Sarah says, the idea is to use HGH in tandem with steroids to build muscle faster by training harder and more often than a normal person could. I don’t know. There has certainly been a lot of hue and cry about how HGH doesn’t really work, but all the studies I’ve read are really saying that they haven’t yet proved that it works, not that they have positively proven that it doesn’t work. Also, most of the trials they have conducted have been done in clinical settings with clinical doses, which are quite different from how these drugs are being used by athletes. Finally, a lot of these studies have been testing whether HGH adds muscle or not, which is weird to me, because the idea was never really that HGH adds strength or muscle, but rather that it helps you recover faster from injury or from weight training, allowing you to train more or get back on the field sooner. As Sarah says, the idea is to use HGH in tandem with steroids to build muscle faster by training harder and more often than a normal person could.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/09/braves-prospect-tests-positive-for-hgh-but-how-and-why-and-what-now/comment-page-1/#comment-55254 Sarah Green Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:22:42 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/braves-prospect-tests-positive-for-hgh-but-how-and-why-and-what-now/#comment-55254 Coley, I don't think you can say this kid has "tested positive" for HGH because, as you note, there's no testing going on. I've read on some other blogs stuff about HGH "not working," but the main gist seems to be that it doesn't do much *on its own.* And definitely not if you just use it once or twice, a la Andy Pettitte. This is why most of the guys you've heard of who were using HGH were also using something else (the cream or the clear, or whathaveyou). So either Schafer doesn't know how PEDs work (quite possible) or he was using something else too, and just didn't get caught (also possible). In the latter instance, it could even be a new PED that MLB hasn't identified yet. Coley, I don’t think you can say this kid has “tested positive” for HGH because, as you note, there’s no testing going on.

I’ve read on some other blogs stuff about HGH “not working,” but the main gist seems to be that it doesn’t do much *on its own.* And definitely not if you just use it once or twice, a la Andy Pettitte. This is why most of the guys you’ve heard of who were using HGH were also using something else (the cream or the clear, or whathaveyou). So either Schafer doesn’t know how PEDs work (quite possible) or he was using something else too, and just didn’t get caught (also possible). In the latter instance, it could even be a new PED that MLB hasn’t identified yet.

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