Comments on: Carlos Quentin always a threat to break HBP records http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/30/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/ In-your-face baseball commentary Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:17:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/30/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/comment-page-1/#comment-55565 Nick Kapur Thu, 01 May 2008 03:25:21 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/#comment-55565 Yeah, Quentin is especially strategic with his HBPs. I know at least two of his 6 HBP this year came with the bases loaded. And here is a quote from his manager, Ozzie Guillen: "Carlos has had good [at-bats] since the first day I put him in the lineup. He's always getting hit by a pitch at the right spot. I like it." To me it's great. It's definitely a skill and a strategy and I see nothing wrong with it. If you can get hit in a way that doesn't seem obvious enough for the umpire to call bullshit and in a way to help your team, then you should do it. And after all, the pitcher still has to throw far enough inside that it will work. It's like before when we were talking about the difference between steroids and stealing signs. I don't think they are the same. One is something where only people who go outside the game and buy some illegal drugs gain an unfair advantage that other players do not have. The other is in-game gamesmanship that all players can do if they are cagey enough. Yeah, Quentin is especially strategic with his HBPs. I know at least two of his 6 HBP this year came with the bases loaded.

And here is a quote from his manager, Ozzie Guillen:

“Carlos has had good [at-bats] since the first day I put him in the lineup. He’s always getting hit by a pitch at the right spot. I like it.”

To me it’s great. It’s definitely a skill and a strategy and I see nothing wrong with it. If you can get hit in a way that doesn’t seem obvious enough for the umpire to call bullshit and in a way to help your team, then you should do it. And after all, the pitcher still has to throw far enough inside that it will work.

It’s like before when we were talking about the difference between steroids and stealing signs. I don’t think they are the same. One is something where only people who go outside the game and buy some illegal drugs gain an unfair advantage that other players do not have. The other is in-game gamesmanship that all players can do if they are cagey enough.

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]]> By: Scott Ball http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/30/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/comment-page-1/#comment-55564 Scott Ball Thu, 01 May 2008 03:20:25 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/#comment-55564 I used to play in a head to head fantasy league that had HBP as a category... Quentin might be worth a first round pick in that league... I used to play in a head to head fantasy league that had HBP as a category… Quentin might be worth a first round pick in that league…

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]]> By: Coley Ward http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/30/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/comment-page-1/#comment-55568 Coley Ward Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:51:04 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/#comment-55568 Chase Utley gets hit by a lot of pitches, too. So far this year he's been hit by a pitch four times, though three came in the same game. Chase Utley gets hit by a lot of pitches, too. So far this year he’s been hit by a pitch four times, though three came in the same game.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/30/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/comment-page-1/#comment-55567 Sarah Green Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:34:55 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/#comment-55567 Insane. Insane.

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/30/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/comment-page-1/#comment-55566 Paul Moro Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:22:34 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/#comment-55566 Wow, that's really interesting stuff. I honestly don't know how I feel about HBPs. I feel like once we consider it a "skill", it's like we're basically condoning cheating. If I was a pitcher, I'd be pissed. At the same time, it helps teams. Hmm... Wow, that’s really interesting stuff.

I honestly don’t know how I feel about HBPs. I feel like once we consider it a “skill”, it’s like we’re basically condoning cheating. If I was a pitcher, I’d be pissed.

At the same time, it helps teams.

Hmm…

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]]> By: Alejandro Leal http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/30/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/comment-page-1/#comment-48981 Alejandro Leal Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:28:58 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/#comment-48981 Boy James, it's obvious you were thoroughly educated on American propaganda films of the 40s and 50s. Let's see, 60 years later and, just like Bisher, you're still crapping that pseudopatriotism rhetoric you swallowed whole. But you know? I actually did think about the so-called "ageism" you refer to in writing this post, but I didn't back down in saying what needed to be said; and I hope someone does unearth this when I'm 80 and I make outlandish remarks. It's all about perspective; a sense of entitlement doesn't take away the ability say idiotic things; sadly, it enhances it. Boy James, it’s obvious you were thoroughly educated on American propaganda films of the 40s and 50s.

Let’s see, 60 years later and, just like Bisher, you’re still crapping that pseudopatriotism rhetoric you swallowed whole.

But you know? I actually did think about the so-called “ageism” you refer to in writing this post, but I didn’t back down in saying what needed to be said; and I hope someone does unearth this when I’m 80 and I make outlandish remarks. It’s all about perspective; a sense of entitlement doesn’t take away the ability say idiotic things; sadly, it enhances it.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/30/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/comment-page-1/#comment-48979 Sarah Green Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:09:38 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/#comment-48979 James, go back to whatever political blog you wandered over from. Peace is what happens when countries move on. I think Furman Bisher and yourself should do the same. And my grandfather---a US Marine who fought in the South Pacific---would agree with me. James, go back to whatever political blog you wandered over from. Peace is what happens when countries move on. I think Furman Bisher and yourself should do the same. And my grandfather—a US Marine who fought in the South Pacific—would agree with me.

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]]> By: James http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/30/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/comment-page-1/#comment-48975 James Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:47:01 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/#comment-48975 Love to hear you guys wail about how this xenophobic dinosaur has offended your progressive self-perception of enlightenment… In 20 years, the AGEISM rife in your smug commentary above will be viewed as being just as primitive and ignorant as rascist ‘N-word’ diatribes from 20 years ago. By then hopefully you’ll have gotten “old” too, kids… Alejandro, Mr. Bisher’s certainly not a xenophobe—he was happily working in the Soviet Union, Latin America and other foreign places long before you were born. Mr. Bisher DID in fact have to go to war against Japan and served at a place called Midway Island. Perhaps you’ve heard of World War Two on MTV…? You can thank Mr. Bisher’s generatioin that a nation that had been viciously attacking, enslaving and raping its' neighbors for 50 years is now busy making Hello Kitty and electronic toys for whiney piss-ants like you. Yeah, THAT Tokyo... Sarah, I dare say that you might not exist had it not been for a couple of US bombs dropped on Japan in August 1945. If not for them, your grandfather or great-grandfather may well have been among the 2 million US casualties that would have died in Operation Olympic. Dare to pick up a history book and READ! Love to hear you guys wail about how this xenophobic dinosaur has offended your progressive self-perception of enlightenment… In 20 years, the AGEISM rife in your smug commentary above will be viewed as being just as primitive and ignorant as rascist ‘N-word’ diatribes from 20 years ago. By then hopefully you’ll have gotten “old” too, kids… Alejandro, Mr. Bisher’s certainly not a xenophobe—he was happily working in the Soviet Union, Latin America and other foreign places long before you were born.

Mr. Bisher DID in fact have to go to war against Japan and served at a place called Midway Island. Perhaps you’ve heard of World War Two on MTV…? You can thank Mr. Bisher’s generatioin that a nation that had been viciously attacking, enslaving and raping its’ neighbors for 50 years is now busy making Hello Kitty and electronic toys for whiney piss-ants like you. Yeah, THAT Tokyo…

Sarah, I dare say that you might not exist had it not been for a couple of US bombs dropped on Japan in August 1945. If not for them, your grandfather or great-grandfather may well have been among the 2 million US casualties that would have died in Operation Olympic. Dare to pick up a history book and READ!

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/30/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/comment-page-1/#comment-48172 Sarah Green Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:23:43 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/#comment-48172 I think "not raised in Wampole" just means, this guy wasn't born in the United States. And by that he means, this guy isn't white. Because everyone born in the United States has blond hair and blue eyes and huge, straight, white teeth. I actually have a strange sensation here that Bisher thinks he is joking. Yes, racial jokes! Such knee-slappers! As they have been since WWII, when the United States was still a segregated society and we put Japanese people in internment camps! Har! Har har har! And not to sound like a total commie, but I think one of the readers commenting on Bisher's article put it best when he or she wrote: "I must respectfully suggest that if any people know what “a few bombs can do to [their] property,” it’s probably Japan." I think “not raised in Wampole” just means, this guy wasn’t born in the United States. And by that he means, this guy isn’t white. Because everyone born in the United States has blond hair and blue eyes and huge, straight, white teeth.

I actually have a strange sensation here that Bisher thinks he is joking. Yes, racial jokes! Such knee-slappers! As they have been since WWII, when the United States was still a segregated society and we put Japanese people in internment camps! Har! Har har har!

And not to sound like a total commie, but I think one of the readers commenting on Bisher’s article put it best when he or she wrote: “I must respectfully suggest that if any people know what “a few bombs can do to [their] property,” it’s probably Japan.”

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]]> By: Alejandro Leal http://umpbump.com/press/2008/04/30/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/comment-page-1/#comment-48130 Alejandro Leal Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:11:07 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/carlos-quentin-always-a-threat-to-break-hbp-records/#comment-48130 Yea, I googled "<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=wampole&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">wampole</a>" and all you get is a random set of search results, anything from the "Wampole family tree" to some kind of brand for some kind of medical something. Not sure if its a procedure or a drug or what (but <a href="http://www.mum.org/patmed5.htm" rel="nofollow">this</a> sheds some light on the subject – makes you wonder where Bisher got the word from). There's nothing in the dictionary, nothing in Wikipedia. Talk about going way back. That word is so old, it doesn't exist anymore. Yea, I googled “wampole” and all you get is a random set of search results, anything from the “Wampole family tree” to some kind of brand for some kind of medical something. Not sure if its a procedure or a drug or what (but this sheds some light on the subject – makes you wonder where Bisher got the word from).

There’s nothing in the dictionary, nothing in Wikipedia.

Talk about going way back. That word is so old, it doesn’t exist anymore.

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