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		<title>By: MrLomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrLomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;under no circumstances should a teams *only* fallback option after a 41-year-old shortstop in steep decline be two players who couldn\’t even hit in A-ball last year.&quot;

Selective memory?  Before he tore his achilles halfway through spring training, Kevin Frandsen was that SS to be.

&quot;But even in-season, it shouldn\’t be too hard to acquire an AAAA replacement level shortstop via minor trade, or just buying them.&quot;

Really?  Who?  Other than C, SS is by far the hardest position to fill.

&quot;The Giants shouldn’t be vastly overpaying big name veterans to put up the production that the Giants could be getting virtually for free from AAAA players.&quot;

Agree. Agree. Agree.  Winn, Roberts, Aurilia, Durham, are HUGE mistakes.  But widely available &quot;AAAA&quot; SS just do not exist in the numbers you seem to think they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;under no circumstances should a teams *only* fallback option after a 41-year-old shortstop in steep decline be two players who couldn\’t even hit in A-ball last year.&#8221;</p>
<p>Selective memory?  Before he tore his achilles halfway through spring training, Kevin Frandsen was that SS to be.</p>
<p>&#8220;But even in-season, it shouldn\’t be too hard to acquire an AAAA replacement level shortstop via minor trade, or just buying them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  Who?  Other than C, SS is by far the hardest position to fill.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Giants shouldn’t be vastly overpaying big name veterans to put up the production that the Giants could be getting virtually for free from AAAA players.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agree. Agree. Agree.  Winn, Roberts, Aurilia, Durham, are HUGE mistakes.  But widely available &#8220;AAAA&#8221; SS just do not exist in the numbers you seem to think they do.
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		<title>By: Nick Kapur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Kapur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 05:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MrLomez, the point about the AAAA, replacement level shortstops is just that under no circumstances should a teams *only* fallback option after a 41-year-old shortstop in steep decline be two players who couldn\&#039;t even hit in A-ball last year.

It\&#039;s less a question of whether the giants could acquire such a player in season as much as, why didn\&#039;t they think of that before the season started?  Why don\&#039;t they have some of those guys in double A and triple A already?

But even in-season, it shouldn\&#039;t be too hard to acquire an AAAA replacement level shortstop via minor trade, or just buying them the way the A\&#039;s bought Jack Cust last year. Teams buy these players all the time, because after all, we are not talking about a hot prospect here, or even any kind of prospect at all, but just a replacement level guy who can fill in until Vizquel comes back. In fact the very definintion of the term \&quot;replacement level player\&quot; is a player who can be easily obtained at minimal cost. That is who I am talking about.

Bocock and Burriss aren\&#039;t even replacement level, and it\&#039;s not helping either the Giants or their development to have them struggling at the major league level. They are A-Ball players.

Lastly your point about \&quot;Pick an argument\&quot; because \&quot;You can’t criticize the team for signing marginally productive veteran players then turn around and criticize them for not doing it\&quot; completely misses the point. What Coley and I are saying is that the Giants shouldn\&#039;t be vastly overpaying big name veterans to put up the production that the Giants could be getting virtually for free from AAAA players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MrLomez, the point about the AAAA, replacement level shortstops is just that under no circumstances should a teams *only* fallback option after a 41-year-old shortstop in steep decline be two players who couldn\&#8217;t even hit in A-ball last year.</p>
<p>It\&#8217;s less a question of whether the giants could acquire such a player in season as much as, why didn\&#8217;t they think of that before the season started?  Why don\&#8217;t they have some of those guys in double A and triple A already?</p>
<p>But even in-season, it shouldn\&#8217;t be too hard to acquire an AAAA replacement level shortstop via minor trade, or just buying them the way the A\&#8217;s bought Jack Cust last year. Teams buy these players all the time, because after all, we are not talking about a hot prospect here, or even any kind of prospect at all, but just a replacement level guy who can fill in until Vizquel comes back. In fact the very definintion of the term \&quot;replacement level player\&quot; is a player who can be easily obtained at minimal cost. That is who I am talking about.</p>
<p>Bocock and Burriss aren\&#8217;t even replacement level, and it\&#8217;s not helping either the Giants or their development to have them struggling at the major league level. They are A-Ball players.</p>
<p>Lastly your point about \&quot;Pick an argument\&quot; because \&quot;You can’t criticize the team for signing marginally productive veteran players then turn around and criticize them for not doing it\&quot; completely misses the point. What Coley and I are saying is that the Giants shouldn\&#8217;t be vastly overpaying big name veterans to put up the production that the Giants could be getting virtually for free from AAAA players.
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		<title>By: Lyndsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But actually I think the Tigers will be okay. Sorta.&quot;



&quot;Detroit’s suckage is certainly more surprising. I think everyone still feels like they’ll start to play better soon.&quot;



I don&#039;t know...a stat from last night&#039;s game that I practically memorized - the Tigers are 0-15 when scoring 4 runs or less in a game. 0-15!!! not only is that putting a HUGE amount of pressure on the offense, but that is pitching suckage to the extreme. methinks they will have some bullpen shuffling to do at the trade deadline before this train gets back on track.



the Rangers do have young talent (and a clean Josh Hamilton), so I&#039;m kind of surprised that they are in last place right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But actually I think the Tigers will be okay. Sorta.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Detroit’s suckage is certainly more surprising. I think everyone still feels like they’ll start to play better soon.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know&#8230;a stat from last night&#8217;s game that I practically memorized &#8211; the Tigers are 0-15 when scoring 4 runs or less in a game. 0-15!!! not only is that putting a HUGE amount of pressure on the offense, but that is pitching suckage to the extreme. methinks they will have some bullpen shuffling to do at the trade deadline before this train gets back on track.</p>
<p>the Rangers do have young talent (and a clean Josh Hamilton), so I&#8217;m kind of surprised that they are in last place right now.
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		<title>By: MrLomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrLomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 19:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another half-assed embarrassment of a column.  Blah, blah, blah.  The Giants suck.  Hilarious.

&quot;further proof that in close games defense makes the difference.&quot;  -- really?  Hitting and pitching cease to make a difference in close games?

&quot;There must literally be at least 30 AAAA-type guys floating around who could put up better production than Burriss and Bocock.&quot; -- 30? Welcome to reality. This isn&#039;t a fantasy league.  You can&#039;t just claim any guy who&#039;s not playing off of waivers.  And what would be the point of adding a Replacement Level player anyway.  You can&#039;t criticize the team for signing marginally productive veteran players then turn around and criticize them for not doing it.  Pick an argument.

The bigger picture, of course, from this weekend is that the Giants had a legitimate chance to win every game of the series on the road against a playoff-caliber team.  That they came up just short on two occasions -- since you&#039;re so devoted to the laws of run differential -- was just a matter of bad luck, right?

And yes, I will continue to respond to these pathetic Giants Suck articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another half-assed embarrassment of a column.  Blah, blah, blah.  The Giants suck.  Hilarious.</p>
<p>&#8220;further proof that in close games defense makes the difference.&#8221;  &#8212; really?  Hitting and pitching cease to make a difference in close games?</p>
<p>&#8220;There must literally be at least 30 AAAA-type guys floating around who could put up better production than Burriss and Bocock.&#8221; &#8212; 30? Welcome to reality. This isn&#8217;t a fantasy league.  You can&#8217;t just claim any guy who&#8217;s not playing off of waivers.  And what would be the point of adding a Replacement Level player anyway.  You can&#8217;t criticize the team for signing marginally productive veteran players then turn around and criticize them for not doing it.  Pick an argument.</p>
<p>The bigger picture, of course, from this weekend is that the Giants had a legitimate chance to win every game of the series on the road against a playoff-caliber team.  That they came up just short on two occasions &#8212; since you&#8217;re so devoted to the laws of run differential &#8212; was just a matter of bad luck, right?</p>
<p>And yes, I will continue to respond to these pathetic Giants Suck articles.
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		<title>By: Nick Kapur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Kapur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah you are right Coley, although I think the young guys the Giants do have are part of the same problem you are getting at, which is no plan.



Burriss and Bocock is a prime example - those two guys were both playing in SINGLE A BALL last season, and they weren&#039;t even hitting there! That these guys are anywhere near the major leagues signifies an organization with an utter incapacity to plan for any contingencies.  There must literally be at least 30 AAAA-type guys floating around who could put up better production than Burriss and Bocock, while Vizquel is down, and 42-year-old Omar Vizquel was no real kind of plan at SS to begin with!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah you are right Coley, although I think the young guys the Giants do have are part of the same problem you are getting at, which is no plan.</p>
<p>Burriss and Bocock is a prime example &#8211; those two guys were both playing in SINGLE A BALL last season, and they weren&#8217;t even hitting there! That these guys are anywhere near the major leagues signifies an organization with an utter incapacity to plan for any contingencies.  There must literally be at least 30 AAAA-type guys floating around who could put up better production than Burriss and Bocock, while Vizquel is down, and 42-year-old Omar Vizquel was no real kind of plan at SS to begin with!
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		<title>By: Coley Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coley Ward</dc:creator>
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		<description>Detroit&#039;s suckage is certainly more surprising. I think everyone still feels like they&#039;ll start to play better soon. But  if Sheffield doesn&#039;t rediscover his swing, and if Polanco&#039;s back problems flair up again, they could be in for a long season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Detroit&#8217;s suckage is certainly more surprising. I think everyone still feels like they&#8217;ll start to play better soon. But  if Sheffield doesn&#8217;t rediscover his swing, and if Polanco&#8217;s back problems flair up again, they could be in for a long season.
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		<title>By: Nick Kapur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Kapur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Sarah, the Tigers are noteworthy - that and you also have a personal interest because you called them out in your HOA! And we all know how nothing is sweeter to Sarah Green than to be proven right! ;)

But actually I think the Tigers will be okay. Sorta. I mean, they still have that offense, which is not going away, and their pitching is kinda bad, but it is going to be a bit better than it has been so far in the long run, because it is not quite *that* bad. Willis will come back, Verlander and Bonderman will improve a bit, etc. I predict they will win 84 games, which isn&#039;t what everyone predicted, but it&#039;s not true sucktitude...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Sarah, the Tigers are noteworthy &#8211; that and you also have a personal interest because you called them out in your HOA! And we all know how nothing is sweeter to Sarah Green than to be proven right! ;)</p>
<p>But actually I think the Tigers will be okay. Sorta. I mean, they still have that offense, which is not going away, and their pitching is kinda bad, but it is going to be a bit better than it has been so far in the long run, because it is not quite *that* bad. Willis will come back, Verlander and Bonderman will improve a bit, etc. I predict they will win 84 games, which isn&#8217;t what everyone predicted, but it&#8217;s not true sucktitude&#8230;
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		<title>By: Sarah Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 15:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the Rangers actually DO have a young team! And more young talent in their farm system! Baltimore, too, has finally started to rebuild.

Though I have sort of been doing a little bit of a Tigers suckwatch myself, just because their suckage is a little more noteworthy than the Giants&#039; suckage. I mean, at least you&#039;ve heard of most of the guys on Detroit&#039;s roster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Rangers actually DO have a young team! And more young talent in their farm system! Baltimore, too, has finally started to rebuild.</p>
<p>Though I have sort of been doing a little bit of a Tigers suckwatch myself, just because their suckage is a little more noteworthy than the Giants&#8217; suckage. I mean, at least you&#8217;ve heard of most of the guys on Detroit&#8217;s roster.
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		<title>By: coley</title>
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		<dc:creator>coley</dc:creator>
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		<description>But Nick, I think we&#039;d both agree that the Giants biggest problem is not young guys like Velez and Burriss, but the contracts they gave to Zito and Rowand. Why sign these guys to big money deals when you have ZERO chance to win anytime soon? Moreover, why try to field a team of 30-somethings, when you know the result is going to be a paltry number of runs scored? Why not focus all your efforts on rebuilding? I think what makes the Giants more pathetic than Baltimore or even Texas is that San Francisco seems to have absolutely no plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Nick, I think we&#8217;d both agree that the Giants biggest problem is not young guys like Velez and Burriss, but the contracts they gave to Zito and Rowand. Why sign these guys to big money deals when you have ZERO chance to win anytime soon? Moreover, why try to field a team of 30-somethings, when you know the result is going to be a paltry number of runs scored? Why not focus all your efforts on rebuilding? I think what makes the Giants more pathetic than Baltimore or even Texas is that San Francisco seems to have absolutely no plan.
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		<title>By: Nick Kapur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Kapur</dc:creator>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, Lyndsay, at least the Orioles and the Tigers are sort of, kind of, actually trying to win, you know?



The Giants are running Brian Bocock, Manny Burriss, and Eugenio Velez out there, not to mention overpaid suckfest vets like Durham, Castillo, Aurelia, and Randy Winn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, Lyndsay, at least the Orioles and the Tigers are sort of, kind of, actually trying to win, you know?</p>
<p>The Giants are running Brian Bocock, Manny Burriss, and Eugenio Velez out there, not to mention overpaid suckfest vets like Durham, Castillo, Aurelia, and Randy Winn.
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