Comments on: San Francisco SuckWatch 2008: Some Giants not sucking quite as hard as they used to suck http://umpbump.com/press/2008/05/19/san-francisco-suckwatch-2008-some-giants-not-sucking-quite-as-hard-as-they-used-to-suck/ In-your-face baseball commentary Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:48:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: MrLomez http://umpbump.com/press/2008/05/19/san-francisco-suckwatch-2008-some-giants-not-sucking-quite-as-hard-as-they-used-to-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-55733 MrLomez Wed, 21 May 2008 18:32:30 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/san-francisco-suckwatch-2008-some-giants-not-sucking-quite-as-hard-as-they-used-to/#comment-55733 Knock Bocock's bat all you want, but the kid has as mean a glove as any. Of SS with 200 Innings or more, only Tulo, and Yunel Escobar have a better Revised Zone Rating. And he's still about .005 points ahead of Hu. And my point all along has not been to defend Sabean or Bocock or Burriss, but rather that it's no just as easy as picking up the phone to find a Replacement Level (AAAA) SS. It's an extremely low-supply position. Knock Bocock’s bat all you want, but the kid has as mean a glove as any. Of SS with 200 Innings or more, only Tulo, and Yunel Escobar have a better Revised Zone Rating. And he’s still about .005 points ahead of Hu.

And my point all along has not been to defend Sabean or Bocock or Burriss, but rather that it’s no just as easy as picking up the phone to find a Replacement Level (AAAA) SS. It’s an extremely low-supply position.

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2008/05/19/san-francisco-suckwatch-2008-some-giants-not-sucking-quite-as-hard-as-they-used-to-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-55732 Nick Kapur Wed, 21 May 2008 14:26:48 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/san-francisco-suckwatch-2008-some-giants-not-sucking-quite-as-hard-as-they-used-to/#comment-55732 MrLomez, I see what you were trying to do there with the jab at Chin-lung Hu and the comparison to Bocock and Burriss, but that analogy just doesn't hold water. Hu is a nearly major-league ready shortstop thought of as one of the best defensive shortstops in the entire minor leagues, and has also shown the ability to hit triple-A pitching. Granted he has struggled in a part-time role in his first extended stint in the majors, but it is much more difficult to hit well when you aren't getting regular at-bats. But like I said, at least Hu has shown the ability to hit minor league pitching in the past. Burriss and Bocock, who don't have nearly the defensive reputation Hu does to begin with, couldn't even hit back in SINGLE-A ball last year. It doesn't mean Hu is a lock for major league success, but at least Hu is a big-time prospect, whereas Bocock and Burriss are not. MrLomez, I see what you were trying to do there with the jab at Chin-lung Hu and the comparison to Bocock and Burriss, but that analogy just doesn’t hold water.

Hu is a nearly major-league ready shortstop thought of as one of the best defensive shortstops in the entire minor leagues, and has also shown the ability to hit triple-A pitching. Granted he has struggled in a part-time role in his first extended stint in the majors, but it is much more difficult to hit well when you aren’t getting regular at-bats.

But like I said, at least Hu has shown the ability to hit minor league pitching in the past. Burriss and Bocock, who don’t have nearly the defensive reputation Hu does to begin with, couldn’t even hit back in SINGLE-A ball last year. It doesn’t mean Hu is a lock for major league success, but at least Hu is a big-time prospect, whereas Bocock and Burriss are not.

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]]> By: MrLomez http://umpbump.com/press/2008/05/19/san-francisco-suckwatch-2008-some-giants-not-sucking-quite-as-hard-as-they-used-to-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-55731 MrLomez Tue, 20 May 2008 23:01:08 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/san-francisco-suckwatch-2008-some-giants-not-sucking-quite-as-hard-as-they-used-to/#comment-55731 A much fairer assessment than the last few efforts. I think you're coming around to the idea that this Giants team, though an admittedly pathetic basement-dwelling bunch, is pretty much your run of the mill shitty team. But keep an eye on the bullpen. If that goes haywire, the Giants could be in for some historical lows. By the way, remember this comment in regards to the Burriss/Bocock platoon at SS, “There must literally be at least 30 AAAA-type guys floating around who could put up better production than Burriss and Bocock.” How is the Ching-lung Hu SS experiment working out for your Dodgers? What's his OPS, like .012? A much fairer assessment than the last few efforts. I think you’re coming around to the idea that this Giants team, though an admittedly pathetic basement-dwelling bunch, is pretty much your run of the mill shitty team.

But keep an eye on the bullpen. If that goes haywire, the Giants could be in for some historical lows.

By the way, remember this comment in regards to the Burriss/Bocock platoon at SS,

“There must literally be at least 30 AAAA-type guys floating around who could put up better production than Burriss and Bocock.”

How is the Ching-lung Hu SS experiment working out for your Dodgers? What’s his OPS, like .012?

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]]> By: Ben http://umpbump.com/press/2008/05/19/san-francisco-suckwatch-2008-some-giants-not-sucking-quite-as-hard-as-they-used-to-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-55730 Ben Mon, 19 May 2008 16:26:56 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/san-francisco-suckwatch-2008-some-giants-not-sucking-quite-as-hard-as-they-used-to/#comment-55730 Actually the Zito getting better isn\'t exactly true. His ERA in his last 3 starts may have been sub 4.00 but his WHIP in the same time period is 1.81. Actually the Zito getting better isn\’t exactly true. His ERA in his last 3 starts may have been sub 4.00 but his WHIP in the same time period is 1.81.

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