Comments on: Reports of Mike Mussina’s Demise Were Very Premature http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/04/reports-of-mike-mussinas-demise-were-very-premature/ In-your-face baseball commentary Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:27:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: What they need: New York Yankees - A Little Patience | umpbump.com http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/04/reports-of-mike-mussinas-demise-were-very-premature/comment-page-1/#comment-55983 What they need: New York Yankees - A Little Patience | umpbump.com Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:36:32 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=2329#comment-55983 [...] is de rigeur. But they may want to take a more conservative approach. After all, Mike Mussina is having a very good year. Andy Pettitte has actually been pitching better than you think he’s been pitching, thanks to [...] [...] is de rigeur. But they may want to take a more conservative approach. After all, Mike Mussina is having a very good year. Andy Pettitte has actually been pitching better than you think he’s been pitching, thanks to [...]

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/04/reports-of-mike-mussinas-demise-were-very-premature/comment-page-1/#comment-55982 Nick Kapur Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:33:31 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=2329#comment-55982 Well said Greg. I also agree that Mussina is worthy of the Hall of Fame, even if he retired tomorrow. Well said Greg. I also agree that Mussina is worthy of the Hall of Fame, even if he retired tomorrow.

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]]> By: Greg C. http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/04/reports-of-mike-mussinas-demise-were-very-premature/comment-page-1/#comment-55981 Greg C. Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:44:29 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=2329#comment-55981 Mussina can\'t catch a break from the critics. When his ERA was low and he was a victim of run support, well he didn\'t win enough. Now that he wins, well his ERA is too high. He was the best starter on the Yankees in 2001,2003,2006. He was almost always better than Pettite and at least equal to Clemens when they were all on the same staff. In 2001 Clemens won the Cy Young. Mussina actually had a better year ( lower WHIP, lower ERA,and even more Ks) but finished 5th in the voting. The voting that year was a joke as Mussina finished behind even Moyer. it\'s pretty funny to read the balloting and stat lines and see a guy finish behind people with half the strikeouts and much higher ERA. Wins are an overrated stat, but critics want to have it both ways. Mussina probably won\'t hit the magical 300 win mark and never won 20 - even though the latter was more a function of no run support ( not only the Orioles but also the Yankees, see 2001), blown saves, and a Strike than his performance. Now he\'s winning games, but his ERA is too high ( for some people) and he is \"only a 6 inning pitcher.\" Guess what, CLemens was only a 6 inning pitcher for his entire Yankee career ( look it up; Mussina had more complete games in 2001 than Clemens had in his last 8 years combined) and Pettite was never a complete game shutout type pitcher himself and always had high ERA. When Mussina went 15-7, 3.51 people were outraged when he signed an extension at $11 mil per. No one minded when they signed a guy coming off 14-13, 4.20 for $16 mil or that other 6 inning old guy for $1 million per start. I would like Mussina to win 20 and have an ERA like 5.00. Then see what the critics say. Will he now be HOF level for hitting a stupid stat milestone in his 18th best season? Mussina can\’t catch a break from the critics. When his ERA was low and he was a victim of run support, well he didn\’t win enough. Now that he wins, well his ERA is too high. He was the best starter on the Yankees in 2001,2003,2006. He was almost always better than Pettite and at least equal to Clemens when they were all on the same staff. In 2001 Clemens won the Cy Young. Mussina actually had a better year ( lower WHIP, lower ERA,and even more Ks) but finished 5th in the voting. The voting that year was a joke as Mussina finished behind even Moyer. it\’s pretty funny to read the balloting and stat lines and see a guy finish behind people with half the strikeouts and much higher ERA.

Wins are an overrated stat, but critics want to have it both ways. Mussina probably won\’t hit the magical 300 win mark and never won 20 – even though the latter was more a function of no run support ( not only the Orioles but also the Yankees, see 2001), blown saves, and a Strike than his performance. Now he\’s winning games, but his ERA is too high ( for some people) and he is \"only a 6 inning pitcher.\" Guess what, CLemens was only a 6 inning pitcher for his entire Yankee career ( look it up; Mussina had more complete games in 2001 than Clemens had in his last 8 years combined) and Pettite was never a complete game shutout type pitcher himself and always had high ERA.

When Mussina went 15-7, 3.51 people were outraged when he signed an extension at $11 mil per. No one minded when they signed a guy coming off 14-13, 4.20 for $16 mil or that other 6 inning old guy for $1 million per start.

I would like Mussina to win 20 and have an ERA like 5.00. Then see what the critics say. Will he now be HOF level for hitting a stupid stat milestone in his 18th best season?

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]]> By: gerardo moreno http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/04/reports-of-mike-mussinas-demise-were-very-premature/comment-page-1/#comment-55980 gerardo moreno Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:40:03 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=2329#comment-55980 what a bunch of morons we have here......i would say a 4.03 era is very respectable considering mussina is pitching in the Al and in the Al's toughest division as well as MLB's toughest division....I think he'll keep up ths kind of work throughout the season, he has found a new way to pitch and is no longer the old mussina, up to this season he never pitched inside and always ptched outside with his fastball, no he has a full arsenal of pitches and including the different arm engles he uses, he has like 16 different pitches hahahaha.......don't expect him to fall off that quick....it's no fluke what a bunch of morons we have here……i would say a 4.03 era is very respectable considering mussina is pitching in the Al and in the Al’s toughest division as well as MLB’s toughest division….I think he’ll keep up ths kind of work throughout the season, he has found a new way to pitch and is no longer the old mussina, up to this season he never pitched inside and always ptched outside with his fastball, no he has a full arsenal of pitches and including the different arm engles he uses, he has like 16 different pitches hahahaha…….don’t expect him to fall off that quick….it’s no fluke

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]]> By: Shawn http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/04/reports-of-mike-mussinas-demise-were-very-premature/comment-page-1/#comment-55979 Shawn Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:12:28 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=2329#comment-55979 It's generally harder to be a starter than a reliever. You get a little bit of leway with your performance for eating up innings. Mussina's ERA is only slightly above average. An AL team ERA of 4.03 would also be above average. Ideally, though, your bullpet would lower the team's ERA, not the other way around. A reliever ERA of about 1.25-1.75, to me, is just as valuable as an inning eating starter who pitches 3.00-3.50 ERA ball. Anyway, Mussina has gotten pretty decent support from the surrounding Yankees to attain those 9 wins. That won't keep up. His current pace would put him at 24-11 in 35 starts or 23-10 in 33 starts. I'd guess his ERA will remain about the same, but he'll get only about 16-20 wins and 9-12 losses. It’s generally harder to be a starter than a reliever. You get a little bit of leway with your performance for eating up innings.

Mussina’s ERA is only slightly above average. An AL team ERA of 4.03 would also be above average. Ideally, though, your bullpet would lower the team’s ERA, not the other way around.

A reliever ERA of about 1.25-1.75, to me, is just as valuable as an inning eating starter who pitches 3.00-3.50 ERA ball.

Anyway, Mussina has gotten pretty decent support from the surrounding Yankees to attain those 9 wins. That won’t keep up. His current pace would put him at 24-11 in 35 starts or 23-10 in 33 starts. I’d guess his ERA will remain about the same, but he’ll get only about 16-20 wins and 9-12 losses.

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/04/reports-of-mike-mussinas-demise-were-very-premature/comment-page-1/#comment-55978 Paul Moro Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:29:24 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=2329#comment-55978 Wow, Nick, what are the odds? I was seriously thinking this morning that it was time for me to do a "my bad" post based on what I had written about Moose last year. You bastard. Wow, Nick, what are the odds? I was seriously thinking this morning that it was time for me to do a “my bad” post based on what I had written about Moose last year. You bastard.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/04/reports-of-mike-mussinas-demise-were-very-premature/comment-page-1/#comment-55977 Sarah Green Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:48:19 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=2329#comment-55977 Nick, I noticed that in your post, you called Mussina's 4.01 ERA "very respectable," while in my post, I referred to Boston's team ERA of 4.03 as "thoroughly mediocre." Is this a discrepancy in need of elucidation? Nick, I noticed that in your post, you called Mussina’s 4.01 ERA “very respectable,” while in my post, I referred to Boston’s team ERA of 4.03 as “thoroughly mediocre.” Is this a discrepancy in need of elucidation?

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]]> By: Lyndsay http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/04/reports-of-mike-mussinas-demise-were-very-premature/comment-page-1/#comment-55976 Lyndsay Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:57:51 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=2329#comment-55976 they also have Wang, I forgot about him, still 3 starters, one of whom will likely shit the bed in the postseason, the other two playing on fumes, doesnt add up to much. they also have Wang, I forgot about him, still 3 starters, one of whom will likely shit the bed in the postseason, the other two playing on fumes, doesnt add up to much.

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]]> By: Lyndsay http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/04/reports-of-mike-mussinas-demise-were-very-premature/comment-page-1/#comment-55975 Lyndsay Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:51:52 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=2329#comment-55975 the only reason Mussina's staying alive is because he and Pettite are ALL THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW - the rest of their starters are residing somewhere in the bowels of Yankee Stadium, chained to a radiator like Christina Ricci in Black Snake Moan. I'd be curious to see how long Mussina lasts at this pace, or if he has a late-season injury that takes him out. the only reason Mussina’s staying alive is because he and Pettite are ALL THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW – the rest of their starters are residing somewhere in the bowels of Yankee Stadium, chained to a radiator like Christina Ricci in Black Snake Moan. I’d be curious to see how long Mussina lasts at this pace, or if he has a late-season injury that takes him out.

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