Comments on: Best 1-2 punch? http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/26/best-1-2-punch/ In-your-face baseball commentary Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:30:20 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Kirk Miller http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/26/best-1-2-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-56095 Kirk Miller Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:59:09 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/best-1-2-punch/#comment-56095 Paul, I agree that claiming that they are the number one tandem is premature. One look at the numbers makes it clear that Haren and Webb are the top pair. I am merely trying to point out that Lincecum and Sanchez at least deserve mention as possible contenders when all is said and done. Note that I said they made a strong case for the list, not that they made a strong case for the top spot. Obviously, Sanchez has a track record that doesn't suggest greatness, but if he can find a way to continue to limit his walks, as he has done lately, he could be a solid #2. Paul, I agree that claiming that they are the number one tandem is premature. One look at the numbers makes it clear that Haren and Webb are the top pair. I am merely trying to point out that Lincecum and Sanchez at least deserve mention as possible contenders when all is said and done. Note that I said they made a strong case for the list, not that they made a strong case for the top spot. Obviously, Sanchez has a track record that doesn’t suggest greatness, but if he can find a way to continue to limit his walks, as he has done lately, he could be a solid #2.

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/26/best-1-2-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-56094 Paul Moro Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:46:22 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/best-1-2-punch/#comment-56094 Come on, Kirk. You can\'t take one start out of a whole season to make a point. Lincecum is elite, no question. But again, it\'s Sanchez that falls short. If he can keep pitching like he has his last two outings, then I\'ll eat crow. But he hasn\'t done it yet. Come on, Kirk. You can\’t take one start out of a whole season to make a point. Lincecum is elite, no question. But again, it\’s Sanchez that falls short. If he can keep pitching like he has his last two outings, then I\’ll eat crow. But he hasn\’t done it yet.

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]]> By: Kirk Miller http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/26/best-1-2-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-56093 Kirk Miller Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:41:28 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/best-1-2-punch/#comment-56093 Umm, Tim and Jonathan just made a strong case for this list over the weekend. Umm, Tim and Jonathan just made a strong case for this list over the weekend.

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/26/best-1-2-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-56092 Paul Moro Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:02:10 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/best-1-2-punch/#comment-56092 Kirk, that's not an outlandish suggestion, but Sanchez isn't there yet. He walks way too many guys. If he were pitching in a more homer-friendly environment, his ERA would probably be around league-average. Again, not a bad pitcher by any means and he's still young enough to improve. But not quite there yet. Kirk, that’s not an outlandish suggestion, but Sanchez isn’t there yet. He walks way too many guys. If he were pitching in a more homer-friendly environment, his ERA would probably be around league-average. Again, not a bad pitcher by any means and he’s still young enough to improve. But not quite there yet.

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]]> By: Kirk Miller http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/26/best-1-2-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-56091 Kirk Miller Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:15:19 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/best-1-2-punch/#comment-56091 O.K., I admit I am a Giants fan, but how about Lincecum and Sanchez? Sanchez has 96 strikeouts in 95 innings and Lincecum has 103 in 102 innings. Not bad. Sanchez has 46 walks and Lincecum has 40. I realize that Sanchez is not number two on the Giants depth chart, but he is their second best pitcher. O.K., I admit I am a Giants fan, but how about Lincecum and Sanchez? Sanchez has 96 strikeouts in 95 innings and Lincecum has 103 in 102 innings. Not bad. Sanchez has 46 walks and Lincecum has 40. I realize that Sanchez is not number two on the Giants depth chart, but he is their second best pitcher.

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]]> By: The Modernish Father http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/26/best-1-2-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-56090 The Modernish Father Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:13:56 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/best-1-2-punch/#comment-56090 Ed Wade would like to cast a vote for Shawn Chacon's left and right fists. Ed Wade would like to cast a vote for Shawn Chacon’s left and right fists.

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]]> By: MrLomez http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/26/best-1-2-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-49824 MrLomez Wed, 21 May 2008 18:32:30 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/best-1-2-punch/#comment-49824 Knock Bocock's bat all you want, but the kid has as mean a glove as any. Of SS with 200 Innings or more, only Tulo, and Yunel Escobar have a better Revised Zone Rating. And he's still about .005 points ahead of Hu. And my point all along has not been to defend Sabean or Bocock or Burriss, but rather that it's no just as easy as picking up the phone to find a Replacement Level (AAAA) SS. It's an extremely low-supply position. Knock Bocock’s bat all you want, but the kid has as mean a glove as any. Of SS with 200 Innings or more, only Tulo, and Yunel Escobar have a better Revised Zone Rating. And he’s still about .005 points ahead of Hu.

And my point all along has not been to defend Sabean or Bocock or Burriss, but rather that it’s no just as easy as picking up the phone to find a Replacement Level (AAAA) SS. It’s an extremely low-supply position.

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/26/best-1-2-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-49811 Paul Moro Wed, 21 May 2008 14:26:48 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/best-1-2-punch/#comment-49811 MrLomez, I see what you were trying to do there with the jab at Chin-lung Hu and the comparison to Bocock and Burriss, but that analogy just doesn't hold water. Hu is a nearly major-league ready shortstop thought of as one of the best defensive shortstops in the entire minor leagues, and has also shown the ability to hit triple-A pitching. Granted he has struggled in a part-time role in his first extended stint in the majors, but it is much more difficult to hit well when you aren't getting regular at-bats. But like I said, at least Hu has shown the ability to hit minor league pitching in the past. Burriss and Bocock, who don't have nearly the defensive reputation Hu does to begin with, couldn't even hit back in SINGLE-A ball last year. It doesn't mean Hu is a lock for major league success, but at least Hu is a big-time prospect, whereas Bocock and Burriss are not. MrLomez, I see what you were trying to do there with the jab at Chin-lung Hu and the comparison to Bocock and Burriss, but that analogy just doesn’t hold water.

Hu is a nearly major-league ready shortstop thought of as one of the best defensive shortstops in the entire minor leagues, and has also shown the ability to hit triple-A pitching. Granted he has struggled in a part-time role in his first extended stint in the majors, but it is much more difficult to hit well when you aren’t getting regular at-bats.

But like I said, at least Hu has shown the ability to hit minor league pitching in the past. Burriss and Bocock, who don’t have nearly the defensive reputation Hu does to begin with, couldn’t even hit back in SINGLE-A ball last year. It doesn’t mean Hu is a lock for major league success, but at least Hu is a big-time prospect, whereas Bocock and Burriss are not.

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]]> By: MrLomez http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/26/best-1-2-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-49799 MrLomez Tue, 20 May 2008 23:01:08 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/best-1-2-punch/#comment-49799 A much fairer assessment than the last few efforts. I think you're coming around to the idea that this Giants team, though an admittedly pathetic basement-dwelling bunch, is pretty much your run of the mill shitty team. But keep an eye on the bullpen. If that goes haywire, the Giants could be in for some historical lows. By the way, remember this comment in regards to the Burriss/Bocock platoon at SS, “There must literally be at least 30 AAAA-type guys floating around who could put up better production than Burriss and Bocock.” How is the Ching-lung Hu SS experiment working out for your Dodgers? What's his OPS, like .012? A much fairer assessment than the last few efforts. I think you’re coming around to the idea that this Giants team, though an admittedly pathetic basement-dwelling bunch, is pretty much your run of the mill shitty team.

But keep an eye on the bullpen. If that goes haywire, the Giants could be in for some historical lows.

By the way, remember this comment in regards to the Burriss/Bocock platoon at SS,

“There must literally be at least 30 AAAA-type guys floating around who could put up better production than Burriss and Bocock.”

How is the Ching-lung Hu SS experiment working out for your Dodgers? What’s his OPS, like .012?

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]]> By: Ben http://umpbump.com/press/2008/06/26/best-1-2-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-49730 Ben Mon, 19 May 2008 16:26:56 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/best-1-2-punch/#comment-49730 Actually the Zito getting better isn\'t exactly true. His ERA in his last 3 starts may have been sub 4.00 but his WHIP in the same time period is 1.81. Actually the Zito getting better isn\’t exactly true. His ERA in his last 3 starts may have been sub 4.00 but his WHIP in the same time period is 1.81.

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