Comments on: What they need: Philadelphia Phillies — to trade Ryan Howard http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/10/what-they-need-philadelphia-phillies-%e2%80%94-to-trade-ryan-howard/ In-your-face baseball commentary Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:48:13 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Robert http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/10/what-they-need-philadelphia-phillies-%e2%80%94-to-trade-ryan-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-57426 Robert Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:10:08 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3559#comment-57426 I totally agree with resigning Howard and then trading him to the Giants for Cain if they will pull the trigger. I want to add something to think about though. I heard a rumor before but what about putting Burrel at first to replace Howard, then all you have to do is either sign a free agent LF or use the platoon of Dobbs/Jenkins. As for trading Feliz, i think that they should keep him until Donald is ready especially if they want to repeat. I believe he will return to his numbers from 05-07 where he hit at least 20 HRs a season. I totally agree with resigning Howard and then trading him to the Giants for Cain if they will pull the trigger. I want to add something to think about though. I heard a rumor before but what about putting Burrel at first to replace Howard, then all you have to do is either sign a free agent LF or use the platoon of Dobbs/Jenkins. As for trading Feliz, i think that they should keep him until Donald is ready especially if they want to repeat. I believe he will return to his numbers from 05-07 where he hit at least 20 HRs a season.

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]]> By: Conballs http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/10/what-they-need-philadelphia-phillies-%e2%80%94-to-trade-ryan-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-57419 Conballs Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:57:27 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3559#comment-57419 Yeah, but he probably wouldn't be any worse than Howard there. Yeah, but he probably wouldn’t be any worse than Howard there.

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]]> By: Coley Ward http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/10/what-they-need-philadelphia-phillies-%e2%80%94-to-trade-ryan-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-57398 Coley Ward Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:33:57 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3559#comment-57398 I hope Hamels gets paid. I really do. As for signing Burrell to play first base...that's a thought. I don't know if he's got it in him or not. The problem with that scenario is you probably have to give him three years to get him to stay, and then if it turns out he's no good at first you're stuck with him. I hope Hamels gets paid. I really do.

As for signing Burrell to play first base…that’s a thought. I don’t know if he’s got it in him or not. The problem with that scenario is you probably have to give him three years to get him to stay, and then if it turns out he’s no good at first you’re stuck with him.

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]]> By: Conballs http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/10/what-they-need-philadelphia-phillies-%e2%80%94-to-trade-ryan-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-57394 Conballs Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:10:17 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3559#comment-57394 I understand the frustration with Howard and understand he is somewhat overrated to the fan base, but I also hear he's undervalued by other teams. Look at this proposed lineup and it's a huge downgrade. Not only have you taken out two huge bats you have removed one of the better 3Bs from the field. When you have a Hamels and Moyer you better hope Dobbs is not at 3B. Last year's team played well down the stretch but is not a 100-win team. The offense is what struggled, and now you want to severely downgrade it? However if you are going to trade Howard, the BEST thing to do would be to get a pitcher for him and re-sign Burrell. Burrell could play a solid 1B. One thing you can't deny is that he is real good with the glove, just can't get to any balls to prove it! If you do that, then you can spend Howard's money on signing Adam Dunn. His lack of defense can be made up by talented defense by Vic and Werth, and you have another left-handed power bat that plays everyday (like Howard but WITH OBP!!!) Oh, and Hamels will get paid. If he doesn't then we'll quickly be wondering why Mr. Arbuckle is not manning the ship. I understand the frustration with Howard and understand he is somewhat overrated to the fan base, but I also hear he’s undervalued by other teams. Look at this proposed lineup and it’s a huge downgrade. Not only have you taken out two huge bats you have removed one of the better 3Bs from the field. When you have a Hamels and Moyer you better hope Dobbs is not at 3B. Last year’s team played well down the stretch but is not a 100-win team. The offense is what struggled, and now you want to severely downgrade it?

However if you are going to trade Howard, the BEST thing to do would be to get a pitcher for him and re-sign Burrell. Burrell could play a solid 1B. One thing you can’t deny is that he is real good with the glove, just can’t get to any balls to prove it! If you do that, then you can spend Howard’s money on signing Adam Dunn. His lack of defense can be made up by talented defense by Vic and Werth, and you have another left-handed power bat that plays everyday (like Howard but WITH OBP!!!)

Oh, and Hamels will get paid. If he doesn’t then we’ll quickly be wondering why Mr. Arbuckle is not manning the ship.

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]]> By: Coley Ward http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/10/what-they-need-philadelphia-phillies-%e2%80%94-to-trade-ryan-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-57391 Coley Ward Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:31:49 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3559#comment-57391 Regarding signing Cole Hamels long term, I absolutely think the Phillies should do this, but I don't think they will. I think they're nervous about his back. But here's the way I look at it: Hamels works out every morning for two hours doing back strengthening exercises, which is about two hours more exercise than the average ballplayer gets per day. This year, he pitched injury free all season. He's an elite arm and he's earned his extension. I say pay the man. Regarding signing Cole Hamels long term, I absolutely think the Phillies should do this, but I don’t think they will. I think they’re nervous about his back. But here’s the way I look at it: Hamels works out every morning for two hours doing back strengthening exercises, which is about two hours more exercise than the average ballplayer gets per day. This year, he pitched injury free all season. He’s an elite arm and he’s earned his extension. I say pay the man.

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]]> By: Coley Ward http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/10/what-they-need-philadelphia-phillies-%e2%80%94-to-trade-ryan-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-57390 Coley Ward Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:29:05 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3559#comment-57390 Since we have a lot of MLBTR people here today, I should mention that I talked to Tim before I wrote this post and he didn't think the Giants would trade Cain for Howard. Paul didn't think so either. I think they might be giving Brian Sabean a little too much credit, but if the Phillies can't get Cain, they should target another top of the rotation arm. Since we have a lot of MLBTR people here today, I should mention that I talked to Tim before I wrote this post and he didn’t think the Giants would trade Cain for Howard. Paul didn’t think so either. I think they might be giving Brian Sabean a little too much credit, but if the Phillies can’t get Cain, they should target another top of the rotation arm.

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]]> By: Jrm412 http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/10/what-they-need-philadelphia-phillies-%e2%80%94-to-trade-ryan-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-57388 Jrm412 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:16:42 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3559#comment-57388 One big issue this article missed, which was briefly mentioned in the comments, is signing Cole Hamels. Amaro is certainly going to try to lock up Hamels for a long term contract. Trading Howard is just not going to happen. Despite what his numbers might have been, and how frustrating it was to watch Howard strike out after 5,000 breaking balls were thrown to him during the playoffs, he has still carried this team on multiple occasions. As was argued in his arbitration hearing last year, Howard is a special player and does a lot for the team on many levels. With his undeniably great production this year, he will be back for sure. One big issue this article missed, which was briefly mentioned in the comments, is signing Cole Hamels. Amaro is certainly going to try to lock up Hamels for a long term contract.

Trading Howard is just not going to happen. Despite what his numbers might have been, and how frustrating it was to watch Howard strike out after 5,000 breaking balls were thrown to him during the playoffs, he has still carried this team on multiple occasions.

As was argued in his arbitration hearing last year, Howard is a special player and does a lot for the team on many levels. With his undeniably great production this year, he will be back for sure.

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]]> By: CY33 http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/10/what-they-need-philadelphia-phillies-%e2%80%94-to-trade-ryan-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-57387 CY33 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:00:34 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3559#comment-57387 that article was an amazing waste of time. congrats. Only thing I could see them doing out of that mess is bringing back Moyer and taking a shot on Rivera (although that would be terrible). that article was an amazing waste of time. congrats.

Only thing I could see them doing out of that mess is bringing back Moyer and taking a shot on Rivera (although that would be terrible).

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/10/what-they-need-philadelphia-phillies-%e2%80%94-to-trade-ryan-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-57385 Paul Moro Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:50:01 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3559#comment-57385 Michael, if he "drives fear deep into the heart of the competition", please explain why he stopped getting intentionally walked so often in 2008. Whatever athleticism he may have once had is pretty much gone at his size. And you need more than work to become a good defensive player. You need talent. Michael, if he “drives fear deep into the heart of the competition”, please explain why he stopped getting intentionally walked so often in 2008.

Whatever athleticism he may have once had is pretty much gone at his size. And you need more than work to become a good defensive player. You need talent.

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]]> By: Michael Wheeler http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/10/what-they-need-philadelphia-phillies-%e2%80%94-to-trade-ryan-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-57383 Michael Wheeler Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:44:43 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3559#comment-57383 Ryan Howard is a stud----he drives fear deep into the heart of the competion. If you trade him, the haul better be huge! He is a better athlete than he is given credit for (he was an outstanding Basketball player). He does need to improve his defense and will work at it since he is a competitor. Reading these posts I would have thought the Phillies never made the playoffs and that Howard drove in 65 runs. Ryan Howard is a stud—-he drives fear deep into the heart of the competion. If you trade him, the haul better be huge! He is a better athlete than he is given credit for (he was an outstanding Basketball player). He does need to improve his defense and will work at it since he is a competitor.
Reading these posts I would have thought the Phillies never made the playoffs and that Howard drove in 65 runs.

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