Comments on: Nick Swisher Traded To Yankees http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/13/nick-swisher-traded-to-yankees/ In-your-face baseball commentary Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:44:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: scott porter: Hot Offseason Action: Chicago White Sox « Cpric Blog http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/13/nick-swisher-traded-to-yankees/comment-page-1/#comment-58530 scott porter: Hot Offseason Action: Chicago White Sox « Cpric Blog Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:29:56 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3665#comment-58530 [...] may actually compete for a starting job or two. In what was an arguably puzzling move, Williams traded Nick Swisher to the Yankees for Jeff Marquez and Wilson Betemit. Swisher, as UmpBump’s Paul argued back when the deal [...] [...] may actually compete for a starting job or two. In what was an arguably puzzling move, Williams traded Nick Swisher to the Yankees for Jeff Marquez and Wilson Betemit. Swisher, as UmpBump’s Paul argued back when the deal [...]

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]]> By: melissa http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/13/nick-swisher-traded-to-yankees/comment-page-1/#comment-57406 melissa Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:40:12 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3665#comment-57406 First, the Sox wanted to unload Swisher. Now, they may not have gotten enough value for him but they wanted him gone. I don't know if Kenny offered him up or Cashman called and asked what he wanted. It was obvious at the end of the year Ozzie had no intention to continue playing him. I've heard Williams say many times that the Sox scout the minor league pitchers on other staffs and target guys that they think they can make an adjustment to and fix. Due to past experience I would not write off these young pitchers just yet because Sox pitching coach, Don Cooper, has gotten a lot of guys on track that other organizations gave up on. Kenny has also made it known that he wants to stock pile arms and he likes having sinkerball pitchers on his staff due to their homer friendly park. Williams said yesterday he thinks Marquez can compete for a spot in the starting rotation. I don't know if Kenny is right but I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt when he has had a pretty good track record in the recent past. First, the Sox wanted to unload Swisher. Now, they may not have gotten enough value for him but they wanted him gone. I don’t know if Kenny offered him up or Cashman called and asked what he wanted. It was obvious at the end of the year Ozzie had no intention to continue playing him. I’ve heard Williams say many times that the Sox scout the minor league pitchers on other staffs and target guys that they think they can make an adjustment to and fix. Due to past experience I would not write off these young pitchers just yet because Sox pitching coach, Don Cooper, has gotten a lot of guys on track that other organizations gave up on. Kenny has also made it known that he wants to stock pile arms and he likes having sinkerball pitchers on his staff due to their homer friendly park. Williams said yesterday he thinks Marquez can compete for a spot in the starting rotation. I don’t know if Kenny is right but I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt when he has had a pretty good track record in the recent past.

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/13/nick-swisher-traded-to-yankees/comment-page-1/#comment-57396 Paul Moro Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:13:47 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3665#comment-57396 Melissa, why Marquez though? He sure as hell isn't the only sinkerballer in the minors And why trade Swisher to get him? Why not someone of a lesser value? It doesn't even out in my brain. Melissa, why Marquez though? He sure as hell isn’t the only sinkerballer in the minors And why trade Swisher to get him? Why not someone of a lesser value? It doesn’t even out in my brain.

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]]> By: melissa http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/13/nick-swisher-traded-to-yankees/comment-page-1/#comment-57393 melissa Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:05:23 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3665#comment-57393 The fact that Marquez is a sinkerballer is exactly why the Sox wanted him. They think they can get him straightened out, like they have with many other young pitchers, and he will be productive for them. Only time will tell. He may in fact be a bust but I guarantee the White Sox have spotted something in this guy that they think they can "fix." It's also important to understand that the Sox were tired of Swisher's act in the clubhouse and wanted him to take his show elsewhere. He was so bad that by September they preferred playing Ken Griffey Jr. in center. That is really bad. Even after Carlos Quentin went down in left they still didn't play Swisher. DeWayne Wise got more playing time while Swish rode the pine. The fact that Marquez is a sinkerballer is exactly why the Sox wanted him. They think they can get him straightened out, like they have with many other young pitchers, and he will be productive for them. Only time will tell. He may in fact be a bust but I guarantee the White Sox have spotted something in this guy that they think they can “fix.” It’s also important to understand that the Sox were tired of Swisher’s act in the clubhouse and wanted him to take his show elsewhere. He was so bad that by September they preferred playing Ken Griffey Jr. in center. That is really bad. Even after Carlos Quentin went down in left they still didn’t play Swisher. DeWayne Wise got more playing time while Swish rode the pine.

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]]> By: Coley Ward http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/13/nick-swisher-traded-to-yankees/comment-page-1/#comment-57392 Coley Ward Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:40:58 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3665#comment-57392 Paul, I agree with that assessment, up until the last part. Swisher could get worse. What if the Braves had traded Jeff Francoeur after 2007? You might have said Atlanta traded him at his absolute lowest. But guess what? He got worse in 2008. Paul, I agree with that assessment, up until the last part. Swisher could get worse. What if the Braves had traded Jeff Francoeur after 2007? You might have said Atlanta traded him at his absolute lowest. But guess what? He got worse in 2008.

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]]> By: Paul Moro http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/13/nick-swisher-traded-to-yankees/comment-page-1/#comment-57379 Paul Moro Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:42:26 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3665#comment-57379 I never mean to assign winners and losers of trades. I don't like doing it. Because the most interesting trades are the ones where there are no losers and makes sense for both sides. But this doesn't make sense to me from the Chicago side. And yes, I've been burned by doubting Ken Williams in the past. Chances are, I'm going to get burned in the future as well. But Marquez doesn't throw hard. He's 92 with sink. Which is odd because for a sinkerball pitcher, he gave up a ton of homeruns this year, which doesn't bode well for him in the South Side. I just don't agree with selling low. And Swisher was sold at his absolute lowest. I never mean to assign winners and losers of trades. I don’t like doing it. Because the most interesting trades are the ones where there are no losers and makes sense for both sides.

But this doesn’t make sense to me from the Chicago side. And yes, I’ve been burned by doubting Ken Williams in the past. Chances are, I’m going to get burned in the future as well.

But Marquez doesn’t throw hard. He’s 92 with sink. Which is odd because for a sinkerball pitcher, he gave up a ton of homeruns this year, which doesn’t bode well for him in the South Side.

I just don’t agree with selling low. And Swisher was sold at his absolute lowest.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/13/nick-swisher-traded-to-yankees/comment-page-1/#comment-57371 Sarah Green Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:21:43 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3665#comment-57371 Melissa, you raise an excellent point -- we shouldn't be so quick to try to assign a winner and a loser in every trade. But Wilson Betemit? Blarg. Melissa, you raise an excellent point — we shouldn’t be so quick to try to assign a winner and a loser in every trade.

But Wilson Betemit? Blarg.

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]]> By: melissa http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/13/nick-swisher-traded-to-yankees/comment-page-1/#comment-57368 melissa Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:07:36 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3665#comment-57368 There may not be a downside for either team. Isn't it possible for both teams to benefit? I will be real interested to see how Swisher's off the field antics fare in the Bronx if he doesn't perform. In Chicago he created a very big profile for himself off the field and didn't back it up on the diamond. He may have just had a down year but he was not very good on the South Side. There may not be a downside for either team. Isn’t it possible for both teams to benefit? I will be real interested to see how Swisher’s off the field antics fare in the Bronx if he doesn’t perform. In Chicago he created a very big profile for himself off the field and didn’t back it up on the diamond. He may have just had a down year but he was not very good on the South Side.

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]]> By: Sarah Green http://umpbump.com/press/2008/11/13/nick-swisher-traded-to-yankees/comment-page-1/#comment-57367 Sarah Green Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:07:11 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=3665#comment-57367 I think this is a great deal for the Yankees. But where's the surprise there? They keep making great trade after great trade these days. Yep, just pantsing everyone, right and left. I'm tired of Boston playing in the AL East. When do we get to play in the NL West? I think this is a great deal for the Yankees. But where’s the surprise there? They keep making great trade after great trade these days. Yep, just pantsing everyone, right and left.

I’m tired of Boston playing in the AL East. When do we get to play in the NL West?

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