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		<title>By: kensai</title>
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		<dc:creator>kensai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike-Team success has nothing to do with the job Colletti is doing.

I know a lot of morons like to say the ends justify the means, but they don&#039;t.  That&#039;s how you end up with the current Yankees.  Run things irresponsibly for long enough, and you will mess up your franchise eventually regardless of payroll or anything.

Colletti has been a terrible decision maker since he&#039;s been in control.  That&#039;s what GMs do, they make decisions.  Do we sign this guy?  Do we trade this guy?  What can we get back?  Can we help this team win?

He is being GIFTED more than half of his team from cost controlled sources, he has a decent sized payroll, and he still wastes 1/3 of it every year on essentially worthless players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike-Team success has nothing to do with the job Colletti is doing.</p>
<p>I know a lot of morons like to say the ends justify the means, but they don&#8217;t.  That&#8217;s how you end up with the current Yankees.  Run things irresponsibly for long enough, and you will mess up your franchise eventually regardless of payroll or anything.</p>
<p>Colletti has been a terrible decision maker since he&#8217;s been in control.  That&#8217;s what GMs do, they make decisions.  Do we sign this guy?  Do we trade this guy?  What can we get back?  Can we help this team win?</p>
<p>He is being GIFTED more than half of his team from cost controlled sources, he has a decent sized payroll, and he still wastes 1/3 of it every year on essentially worthless players.
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		<title>By: kensai</title>
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		<dc:creator>kensai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I honestly think we get so used to bashing people that we can’t just evaluate clearly. We’re blinded by the Jones and Schmidt signings, so we say Colletti’s a bad GM. The truth is he’s put together an exciting team with huge potential for the future and he’s done it without Yankee or Red Sox levels of spending. I’ll take Ned over Depo any day.&quot;

So what you&#039;re basically saying is that Colletti has done nothing, and has let Logan White and Kim Ng&#039;s player development do 3/4 of the work for him, so that makes him a good GM.

Sweet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I honestly think we get so used to bashing people that we can’t just evaluate clearly. We’re blinded by the Jones and Schmidt signings, so we say Colletti’s a bad GM. The truth is he’s put together an exciting team with huge potential for the future and he’s done it without Yankee or Red Sox levels of spending. I’ll take Ned over Depo any day.&#8221;</p>
<p>So what you&#8217;re basically saying is that Colletti has done nothing, and has let Logan White and Kim Ng&#8217;s player development do 3/4 of the work for him, so that makes him a good GM.</p>
<p>Sweet.
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		<title>By: Mike Robins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Robins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 23:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm... you Dodgers fans sound like us Jays fans, complain about everything the GM does and then come out and lead your respective leagues 1/4 of the way through.  I feel your pain, but most of those trades weren&#039;t that bad, the only two players on that list worth having are Werth and Jackson, but there&#039;s no room for Werth anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm&#8230; you Dodgers fans sound like us Jays fans, complain about everything the GM does and then come out and lead your respective leagues 1/4 of the way through.  I feel your pain, but most of those trades weren&#8217;t that bad, the only two players on that list worth having are Werth and Jackson, but there&#8217;s no room for Werth anyways.
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		<title>By: melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, Too bad Colletti didn&#039;t get maximum value for guys like Navarro, Edwin Jackson and now Delwyn Young.  He&#039;s certainly more interested in maximizing his payroll on bad investments like Schmidt, Jones, and Pierre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, Too bad Colletti didn&#8217;t get maximum value for guys like Navarro, Edwin Jackson and now Delwyn Young.  He&#8217;s certainly more interested in maximizing his payroll on bad investments like Schmidt, Jones, and Pierre.
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This absurd comment thread perfectly sums up the difference between people who believe every player on the roster is important and those who feel that if a guy doesn&#039;t get 90 RBIs per year (Or, God help us, hit .300), he&#039;s a bum. You&#039;re allowed a 40-man roster. Maximize the value there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This absurd comment thread perfectly sums up the difference between people who believe every player on the roster is important and those who feel that if a guy doesn&#8217;t get 90 RBIs per year (Or, God help us, hit .300), he&#8217;s a bum. You&#8217;re allowed a 40-man roster. Maximize the value there.
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a ridiculously biased &quot;analysis&quot; this entire post is.  I love how you just dismiss the Ethier acquisition...Colletti beat Billy Beane like a red-headed step-child in that trade, and that cannot be understated.  Ethier is now a major cog in a World Series-caliber lineup.  Getting anything for Bradley at that time would&#039;ve been nice, because his stock just wasn&#039;t that high at the time, and even now Bradley is still about as dependable as Ozzy Osbourne is lucid.

The Dodgers have Russell Martin, so we had no need for Navarro.  He moved him hoping to get help from Hendrickson and Hall.  Nothing wrong with that.  Navarro wasn&#039;t going to help the Dodgers.  It&#039;s actually better for him that he went somewhere where he could play. What did you expect Colletti to get in return for an OK prospect at the time?  

As for Delwyn Young, I&#039;m not sure what you see in him.  Cite all the minor league stats that you&#039;d like.  And you&#039;re overrating Hu big-time.  I&#039;m not saying Castro is great, obviously, but he&#039;s no worse of a fielder than Hu (both are defensive wizards) and is probably a better hitter, too.  Hu will never ever hit in the big leagues, I promise you, so I can&#039;t wait to hear you complain when the Dodgers eventually trade him too.

You cite Willy Aybar and Wilson Betemit both, yet that trade was basically Willy Aybar, Betemit, and Baez for Proctor.  Aybar&#039;s a decent bench player, but that&#039;s what he is, a bench player.  Eminently replaceable.  These are not players of significance!

You complain about Greg Maddux?  Losing Izturis was NOTHING for the Dodgers.  Maddux did OK performance-wise down the stretch that season, but more importantly, his effect on the younger Dodger pitchers was tremendous in that pennant race, and they will be the first to tell you that.  The Dodgers had Furcal at the time.  What did you expect them to get for Izturis?  Good God.

Cody Ross is not the starting center fielder for the Marlins, he is the right fielder, and has never proven that he can be an everyday player.  We&#039;ll see if he can do it this year.  Even if he can, the Dodger outfield is well stocked.  They are losing nothing by not having him on the roster.  

Werth is certainly making a nice little run after his wrist problems with the Dodgers, but again, I ask you, where would he be playing if he were with the Dodgers right now?  The Dodger outfield is stacked!  The Dodgers aren&#039;t losing anything by his not being with them.  Had he stayed with the Dodgers, he would be a fourth outfielder and pinch hitter.  That&#039;s it.

Of all the players you mentioned, the only one that could be of legitimate use to the Dodgers is Edwin Jackson, who could be our fifth starter.  And even that is very replaceable (the fact he&#039;s the third starter on a bad Tiger pitching staff is irrelevant).  

Colletti surely has made his mistakes in free agency (Andruw Jones, Jason &quot;Not Worth A&quot; Schmidt, and Pierre come to mind), but this analysis isn&#039;t a very good one, quite frankly.  If you just look at this 2009 Dodger team, they have above-average position players at 6 of the 8 spots on the diamond, including one superstar (Manny Ramirez), and Loney and Blake are at least league-average at their positions.  The pitching might not be great, but certainly, it&#039;s solid.  And the team is well-positioned to trade for an ace like Halladay or Oswalt if they are dangled at the trade deadline.  You also fail to mention that Colletti gave up basically nothing to get Manny.  Yes, Andy LaRoche is nothing.  Or are you upset about losing him too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a ridiculously biased &#8220;analysis&#8221; this entire post is.  I love how you just dismiss the Ethier acquisition&#8230;Colletti beat Billy Beane like a red-headed step-child in that trade, and that cannot be understated.  Ethier is now a major cog in a World Series-caliber lineup.  Getting anything for Bradley at that time would&#8217;ve been nice, because his stock just wasn&#8217;t that high at the time, and even now Bradley is still about as dependable as Ozzy Osbourne is lucid.</p>
<p>The Dodgers have Russell Martin, so we had no need for Navarro.  He moved him hoping to get help from Hendrickson and Hall.  Nothing wrong with that.  Navarro wasn&#8217;t going to help the Dodgers.  It&#8217;s actually better for him that he went somewhere where he could play. What did you expect Colletti to get in return for an OK prospect at the time?  </p>
<p>As for Delwyn Young, I&#8217;m not sure what you see in him.  Cite all the minor league stats that you&#8217;d like.  And you&#8217;re overrating Hu big-time.  I&#8217;m not saying Castro is great, obviously, but he&#8217;s no worse of a fielder than Hu (both are defensive wizards) and is probably a better hitter, too.  Hu will never ever hit in the big leagues, I promise you, so I can&#8217;t wait to hear you complain when the Dodgers eventually trade him too.</p>
<p>You cite Willy Aybar and Wilson Betemit both, yet that trade was basically Willy Aybar, Betemit, and Baez for Proctor.  Aybar&#8217;s a decent bench player, but that&#8217;s what he is, a bench player.  Eminently replaceable.  These are not players of significance!</p>
<p>You complain about Greg Maddux?  Losing Izturis was NOTHING for the Dodgers.  Maddux did OK performance-wise down the stretch that season, but more importantly, his effect on the younger Dodger pitchers was tremendous in that pennant race, and they will be the first to tell you that.  The Dodgers had Furcal at the time.  What did you expect them to get for Izturis?  Good God.</p>
<p>Cody Ross is not the starting center fielder for the Marlins, he is the right fielder, and has never proven that he can be an everyday player.  We&#8217;ll see if he can do it this year.  Even if he can, the Dodger outfield is well stocked.  They are losing nothing by not having him on the roster.  </p>
<p>Werth is certainly making a nice little run after his wrist problems with the Dodgers, but again, I ask you, where would he be playing if he were with the Dodgers right now?  The Dodger outfield is stacked!  The Dodgers aren&#8217;t losing anything by his not being with them.  Had he stayed with the Dodgers, he would be a fourth outfielder and pinch hitter.  That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>Of all the players you mentioned, the only one that could be of legitimate use to the Dodgers is Edwin Jackson, who could be our fifth starter.  And even that is very replaceable (the fact he&#8217;s the third starter on a bad Tiger pitching staff is irrelevant).  </p>
<p>Colletti surely has made his mistakes in free agency (Andruw Jones, Jason &#8220;Not Worth A&#8221; Schmidt, and Pierre come to mind), but this analysis isn&#8217;t a very good one, quite frankly.  If you just look at this 2009 Dodger team, they have above-average position players at 6 of the 8 spots on the diamond, including one superstar (Manny Ramirez), and Loney and Blake are at least league-average at their positions.  The pitching might not be great, but certainly, it&#8217;s solid.  And the team is well-positioned to trade for an ace like Halladay or Oswalt if they are dangled at the trade deadline.  You also fail to mention that Colletti gave up basically nothing to get Manny.  Yes, Andy LaRoche is nothing.  Or are you upset about losing him too?
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		<title>By: Rodrigo Brazhoban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodrigo Brazhoban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, great post Sarah. You had me rolling on the floor. I think your analogy summed up Colletti perfectly.  Whose fault was it that Neddy had moderately talented prospects on his roster with no remaining options?  If he had any foresight/impulse control, he would have been able to mentally try on and evaluate his &quot;earrings&quot; before parading them around town, realizing they didn&#039;t jive with his new look, and getting desperate and taking them to the pawn shop to trade for a scratched up DVD of Alf, Season 2.  Seriously, the guy has repeatedly put himself in a bad position and wound up getting bent over a barrel because of it.  Sure his hand may have been forced, but that&#039;s what happens when you show everyone your cards- you get bluffed off your bet by better players.  Going all in on a 7-2 off suit repeatedly and taking down some small pots at serious risk (Jones, Pierre, Schmidt, Disabledaparra) doesn&#039;t make up for the winners that you misplayed.  This post brought to you by the letters &quot;A&quot; for analogy and M for &quot;mixed metaphors.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, great post Sarah. You had me rolling on the floor. I think your analogy summed up Colletti perfectly.  Whose fault was it that Neddy had moderately talented prospects on his roster with no remaining options?  If he had any foresight/impulse control, he would have been able to mentally try on and evaluate his &#8220;earrings&#8221; before parading them around town, realizing they didn&#8217;t jive with his new look, and getting desperate and taking them to the pawn shop to trade for a scratched up DVD of Alf, Season 2.  Seriously, the guy has repeatedly put himself in a bad position and wound up getting bent over a barrel because of it.  Sure his hand may have been forced, but that&#8217;s what happens when you show everyone your cards- you get bluffed off your bet by better players.  Going all in on a 7-2 off suit repeatedly and taking down some small pots at serious risk (Jones, Pierre, Schmidt, Disabledaparra) doesn&#8217;t make up for the winners that you misplayed.  This post brought to you by the letters &#8220;A&#8221; for analogy and M for &#8220;mixed metaphors.&#8221;
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To truly knock Colletti names like Shmidt, Pierre (who I like actually, it&#039;s just that ARM ) Jones and Loaiza need to be mentioned. But then you can throw out names like Ethier, Furcal, Saito, Anderson, Manny, Blake and even Nomar. The players he has decided to build this team around and keep that are homegrown talent that are incredible, Kemp, Loney, Martin, Billingsley, Broxton, Kershaw, Dewitt,with a pretty good crop of youngsters still due. There are plenty of moves he could have made and didn&#039;t, every team has asked for those guys in trade discussions, and due to his decisions we have an incredible core of young, productive big league talent. Logan White for GM is a nice slogan to throw out, however I think he is doing a great job right where he is. Keep drafting awesome talent that we can build with and make trades when we need to. Ned Colleti&#039;s regime is 3 years in with 2 playoff appearances, 4 playoff victories and a wild NLCS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To truly knock Colletti names like Shmidt, Pierre (who I like actually, it&#8217;s just that ARM ) Jones and Loaiza need to be mentioned. But then you can throw out names like Ethier, Furcal, Saito, Anderson, Manny, Blake and even Nomar. The players he has decided to build this team around and keep that are homegrown talent that are incredible, Kemp, Loney, Martin, Billingsley, Broxton, Kershaw, Dewitt,with a pretty good crop of youngsters still due. There are plenty of moves he could have made and didn&#8217;t, every team has asked for those guys in trade discussions, and due to his decisions we have an incredible core of young, productive big league talent. Logan White for GM is a nice slogan to throw out, however I think he is doing a great job right where he is. Keep drafting awesome talent that we can build with and make trades when we need to. Ned Colleti&#8217;s regime is 3 years in with 2 playoff appearances, 4 playoff victories and a wild NLCS.
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy to knock trades or moves in retrospect, but to say we got nothing in return is silly. No trade lasts forever, baseball teams are in perpetual motion, all those trades provided us with temporary help at the time that helped us compete and make the playoffs. Just because we still don&#039;t have the players doesn&#039;t mean we got nothing, trades are used as a tool for temporary relief as well. Remember when Ned picked up Marlon Anderson in 06 who subbed for a struggling Ethier? Anderson tore it up (.340 ) and we made the playoffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy to knock trades or moves in retrospect, but to say we got nothing in return is silly. No trade lasts forever, baseball teams are in perpetual motion, all those trades provided us with temporary help at the time that helped us compete and make the playoffs. Just because we still don&#8217;t have the players doesn&#8217;t mean we got nothing, trades are used as a tool for temporary relief as well. Remember when Ned picked up Marlon Anderson in 06 who subbed for a struggling Ethier? Anderson tore it up (.340 ) and we made the playoffs.
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		<title>By: jim #1</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim #1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that other post by &quot;jim&quot; wasnt me...but I got to say, I agreed with everything that jim had to say as well... must be somethin about the name...jk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that other post by &#8220;jim&#8221; wasnt me&#8230;but I got to say, I agreed with everything that jim had to say as well&#8230; must be somethin about the name&#8230;jk
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