Comments on: Worst lineup ever? http://umpbump.com/press/2009/08/27/worst-lineup-ever/ In-your-face baseball commentary Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:44:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Coley Ward http://umpbump.com/press/2009/08/27/worst-lineup-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-60896 Coley Ward Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:11:30 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=6688#comment-60896 You're right that the Mets had two hitters who could be described as league-average-or-better, and the Reds on that day in May probably only had one. But I'd still rather have the Reds lineup, if only because Phillips is a very good player, and the Mets had no very good players yesterday. I bet if you added up the WAR of all the Mets players, it wouldn't equal more than Phillips' 2.1. But it's very close. They're both very crappy lineups. You’re right that the Mets had two hitters who could be described as league-average-or-better, and the Reds on that day in May probably only had one. But I’d still rather have the Reds lineup, if only because Phillips is a very good player, and the Mets had no very good players yesterday. I bet if you added up the WAR of all the Mets players, it wouldn’t equal more than Phillips’ 2.1.

But it’s very close. They’re both very crappy lineups.

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]]> By: Kris http://umpbump.com/press/2009/08/27/worst-lineup-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-60892 Kris Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:40:53 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=6688#comment-60892 The OBP for those Reds players is through their entire time this season as a Red, not a month and a half. Yes, Phillips is a good player (though .324 wOBA is nothing to brag about), but Jeff Francoeur probably equals Jay Bruce's offensive production from this season, and since we are comparing lineups, I don't think defense was meant to be a consideration. Angel Pagan for example is probably better than any hitter in the Reds lineup outside of Phillips. Just looking at offense this season, you have to clearly say that the Mets lineup is better than the Reds'. The OBP for those Reds players is through their entire time this season as a Red, not a month and a half. Yes, Phillips is a good player (though .324 wOBA is nothing to brag about), but Jeff Francoeur probably equals Jay Bruce’s offensive production from this season, and since we are comparing lineups, I don’t think defense was meant to be a consideration. Angel Pagan for example is probably better than any hitter in the Reds lineup outside of Phillips.

Just looking at offense this season, you have to clearly say that the Mets lineup is better than the Reds’.

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]]> By: Nick Kapur http://umpbump.com/press/2009/08/27/worst-lineup-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-60861 Nick Kapur Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:23:39 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=6688#comment-60861 Haha, the Mets scored 10 runs with this lineup since I posted this! Baseball is indeed a strange and beautiful game. Don't get too excited though - it doesn't mean this isn't still one of the worst lineups ever. Haha, the Mets scored 10 runs with this lineup since I posted this!

Baseball is indeed a strange and beautiful game.

Don’t get too excited though – it doesn’t mean this isn’t still one of the worst lineups ever.

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]]> By: Coley Ward http://umpbump.com/press/2009/08/27/worst-lineup-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-60848 Coley Ward Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:12:34 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=6688#comment-60848 Oh, and for the record Nick wrote this post and he's a Dodgers fan. I'm a Phillies fan, though. Oh, and for the record Nick wrote this post and he’s a Dodgers fan. I’m a Phillies fan, though.

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]]> By: Coley Ward http://umpbump.com/press/2009/08/27/worst-lineup-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-60847 Coley Ward Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:12:08 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=6688#comment-60847 Kris, that Reds lineup is bad, but I think it's a bit misleading to give OBP's through 1.5 months of baseball. The fact is Phillips is an all-star and Bruce is a well-above-average defensive RF and burgeoning star. In fact, despite his putrid OBP, Bruce was still worth more than 1 win above replacement before he got hurt. Today's Mets lineup features no one who is even close to an all-star. Tatis is probably the best player in that lineup and his glove does not play well at 3B at all. Kris, that Reds lineup is bad, but I think it’s a bit misleading to give OBP’s through 1.5 months of baseball. The fact is Phillips is an all-star and Bruce is a well-above-average defensive RF and burgeoning star. In fact, despite his putrid OBP, Bruce was still worth more than 1 win above replacement before he got hurt.

Today’s Mets lineup features no one who is even close to an all-star. Tatis is probably the best player in that lineup and his glove does not play well at 3B at all.

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]]> By: Kris http://umpbump.com/press/2009/08/27/worst-lineup-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-60840 Kris Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:49:22 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=6688#comment-60840 Not a single player in that Mets lineup has an OPS less than 60, 2 players better than league average, I'd say the Reds win (or lose?) pretty easily between the two. Not a single player in that Mets lineup has an OPS less than 60, 2 players better than league average, I’d say the Reds win (or lose?) pretty easily between the two.

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]]> By: Kris http://umpbump.com/press/2009/08/27/worst-lineup-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-60839 Kris Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:43:23 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=6688#comment-60839 How about this Reds lineup from earlier this season 5/19 vs the Phillies (OBP): CF Willy Taveras (.273) 3B Jerry Hairston (.305) 2B Brandon Phillips (.317) RF Jay Bruce (.283) C Ramon Hernandez (.330) 1B Adam Rosales (.286 - worst 1B this season?) LF Darnell McDonald (.271) SS Alex Gonzalez (.258) P Johnny Cueto (.175) Not a single player in this lineup has a league average OPS , 5 of them less than 60! How about this Reds lineup from earlier this season 5/19 vs the Phillies (OBP):

CF Willy Taveras (.273)
3B Jerry Hairston (.305)
2B Brandon Phillips (.317)
RF Jay Bruce (.283)
C Ramon Hernandez (.330)
1B Adam Rosales (.286 – worst 1B this season?)
LF Darnell McDonald (.271)
SS Alex Gonzalez (.258)
P Johnny Cueto (.175)

Not a single player in this lineup has a league average OPS , 5 of them less than 60!

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]]> By: Paulo Antunes http://umpbump.com/press/2009/08/27/worst-lineup-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-60835 Paulo Antunes Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:05:55 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=6688#comment-60835 It did look bad on paper. It did look bad on paper.

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]]> By: JC http://umpbump.com/press/2009/08/27/worst-lineup-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-60832 JC Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:41:56 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=6688#comment-60832 If it were the worst lineup ever, would the Mets be up 7-1 only in the 5th? Lol but yea it could be the worst lineup ever... If it were the worst lineup ever, would the Mets be up 7-1 only in the 5th? Lol but yea it could be the worst lineup ever…

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]]> By: Molotov-Coqtiz http://umpbump.com/press/2009/08/27/worst-lineup-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-60831 Molotov-Coqtiz Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:41:41 +0000 http://umpbump.com/press/?p=6688#comment-60831 and now it's 7 runs 12 hits and it's not even the 6th inning and now it’s 7 runs 12 hits and it’s not even the 6th inning

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