Nationals not a big draw
Last night, the Washington Nationals played their second ever home game at their new stadium. And they didn’t even fill half the seats.
Granted, the Nats were playing the Marlins, a team that doesn’t exactly pack ‘em in. And it was a chilly evening in D.C.
But we’re talking about a brand new stadium. It was their second home game!
East Coast Bias says attendance won’t get any better anytime soon:
It won’t get much better this week. According to Nats’ Team President Stan Kasten (routinely and incorrectly referred to as the owner by Washington’s–and possibly the nation’s–premiere news radio station WTOP), crowds in the 20,000s are expected for the remainder of the homestand against Florida and Atlanta. According to Kasten, “It’s also good for us. It’s the right size crowd for us to keep learning things.” I hope that includes learning how to market to a transplant city that just doesn’t care much about the home team.
I wonder if the Marlins were paying attention to all those empty seats last night? Florida is fond of singing the same sad refrain: “we can’t compete without a new stadium.” But it’s becoming increasingly clear that new stadiums aren’t the draw that they used to be.
April 8th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Actually, the Marlins’ main complaint is that they do not receive any meaningful revenue from their current stadium (thanks to Wayne Huizenga hoarding most or all of the revenues).
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April 8th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
The Rays, on the other hand, are playing their home opener today and sold out the Trop. It’s a great time to be a Ray, eh?
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
I don’t completely disagree with the post but, hey, there was also a pretty big college basketball game on the tube last night. Moreover, Kasten may be playing the part of presidential campaign advisor by deliberately downplaying expected attendance numbers later this week.
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
JE, I think the basketball game may have hurt walk-up sales. But let’s be real. This game should have been sold out months in advance.
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April 8th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
I hear you, Coley, but the weather and the quality of the teams playing ought not be minimized either. (It was miserable in DC last night, trust me.) What are the attendance comparisons with other cold-weather teams such as the Brewers and Tigers when their parks were christened? Also, let’s check gate numbers when the Amazins come to town later this month for two weekday games before drawing conclusions.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
But, JE, this game should have sold out IN. ADVANCE.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Okay, okay, DC is not a cold-weather city. Don’t you people have trees in bloom down there right now?
It’s still in the 30s every night in Boston right now, and I’m still going to tomorrow’s game. Plus I had to kill a puppy and drink its blood just to get the tickets.
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April 8th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Suz, I concede that point. However, I would still like to know how the Tigers and Brewers, two sub-.500, cold-weather teams did in their ballparks’ first time around the block. (By the way, feel free to read my recent National Review Online piece, “Cue the Boys of Summer,” where, among other things, I poke fun at DC’s level of interest in baseball.)
Sarah, I was really shivering by the seventh inning of Opening Night. Tomorrow night promises to be a bit warmer, thankfully. Hopefully, there will be a (half) full house too!
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April 8th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
JE, you see, DC is such a warm weather city that people forget they need to bring hats and parkas to April baseball games. :)
From Nexis:
“To underscore the notion that Milwaukee is the biggest small town in America (pop. 610,700), most of the opening night sellout crowd of 42,000 hung around for about 20 minutes after the game.” [2001, when Miller Park opened]
“The glitzy Tuesday launch of Comerica Park…erupted as a good party should. The hottest ticket in town seemed like the coldest place on Earth after awhile, since the temperature hovered around 5C. Sure, diehards watched their heroes beat the Seattle Mariners 5-2 in a sold-out game of 39,000-plus spectators. ” [2000, when Comerica opened]
Now, the Tigers, according to Nexis, had a significant drop-off for their second game at the new stadium, much like the Nats. I couldn’t find anything on the Brew Crew’s second game at Miller, but two potential influencing factors: a) when it gets cold in Wisconsin, they just button their top button, and b) Miller Park does have a retractable roof if the weather gets really bad.
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April 8th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Thanks for checking with Nexis, Sarah! Which client of yours got billed for the search? ;-)
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April 9th, 2008 at 9:11 am
You know what is weird to me? Big media outlets like, say, The Economist buying the pay-per-search package on Nexis when really, it makes much more sense to get the flat rate. That’s all I will say!
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April 9th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Checked out the box for those two games in doubt. At Miller Park’s second game (dome was closed) they drew 40,651. Comerica’s second game saw a crowd of 14,135 on a balmy Saturday afternoon. I love baseballreference.com.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL200104070.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200004150.shtml
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April 9th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Is there anything Baseball Reference *can’t* do?
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April 9th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Thanks, Danny O! We are expecting partly cloudy skies and mid 50s at tonight’s Nats game. I’ll go sans thermals, Sarah. ;-) Hopefully, the crowd will be large and the concessions near my seats won’t run out of the good beer (Stella, Bass) by the third inning this time….
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April 10th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
It was a comfortable evening at the Nats ballpark last night. Attendance was announced at only 23,000 and change and the Marlins won easily. On the other hand, there was good beer to be had throughout….
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April 10th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
In other news, the Blue Jays may be discontinuing their $2 ticket night after multiple violent incidents. I guess teams like the Jays and the Nats can choose between having no fans at all and having drunk, unruly fans!
It was 70 degrees tonight in Boston and the Sox routed the Tigers. Why did I have tickets to last night’s game instead?
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April 11th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Yeah, that same thing happened with the Dodgers! Two years ago they introduced “Two-dollar Tuesdays” for a few sections of the park. But then there were some incidents with drunken unruly fans, and they restored tickets to their normal prices on Tuesdays. So basically these teams are saying they only want rich fans. It is totally unfair to the Average Joe that is not drunken and unruly, and just wants to be able to take his kids to the park for a reasonable price. Just because like .002% of the $2-paying fans are unruly. Ridiculous. Beef up security, or don’t sell beer in those sections, or whatever you have to do, but if some kids don’t end up becoming baseball fans just because a few people got drunk, that is a real tragedy. Especially in Canada where we need all the baseball fans we can get!
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April 11th, 2008 at 9:35 am
The Jays have had two hundred fans booted in two games. That’s a lot of drunken unruliness.
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